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Main: Nyarlathotep
Level: 1854 Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:17 am Posts: 3978 Location: Classified |
Battlecruiser23 wrote: The Zeus Throne is not going to be beefed as it is waiting on the Gunner Change to determine new stats from admins. But it's shit for FCs, too. I'd never even consider taking it over my carrier, and the throne is quite a bit more expensive to make. _________________ Dorin Nube wrote: Nipples aren't the only danger here. |
Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:47 am |
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Rank: Councilor Main: Churchill Level: 5620 Joined: Sat Dec 09, 2006 10:36 pm Posts: 11706 |
I don't think it was ever intended as a real ship for FC's. Maybe a fun ship, but not a real FC ship. The problem still lies in the fact IT IS FUCKING EXPENSIVE.
But, if you think of it, if gunner was given an extra 100% damage in its class skills, debuff generators, kinetic missiles, removed most if not all the shield/energy bonuses from throne, and gave it a third aug slot, like how Bobbo and I kinda concluded with, the Throne would make a pretty nasty Gunner ship. Not saying that'd be the way it's be, but the Throne seems to be moving in that direction. _________________ Salt Assault drew this conclusion from the latest devblog. [img]http://oi62.tinypic.com/33208ex.jpg[/img] |
Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:08 am |
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Rank: Director Main: goldstar-stations Level: 6861 Joined: Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:54 pm Posts: 1174 |
Battlecruiser23 wrote: I don't think it was ever intended as a real ship for FC's. Maybe a fun ship, but not a real FC ship. The problem still lies in the fact IT IS FUCKING EXPENSIVE. But, if you think of it, if gunner was given an extra 100% damage in its class skills, debuff generators, kinetic missiles, removed most if not all the shield/energy bonuses from throne, and gave it a third aug slot, like how Bobbo and I kinda concluded with, the Throne would make a pretty nasty Gunner ship. Not saying that'd be the way it's be, but the Throne seems to be moving in that direction. If you make it decent for gunner it will work just fine for FC. And it was given fighters for FC. There was even a change done that made the FC skills apply to the fighters so they obviously don't mean to exclude FCs from making good use of it either. There is nothing purely gunner specific about the ship. If just the 3rd aug slot that is sorely needed is added it should be just under the HM in power according to the mighty blue dwarf's calculations and better justify it's cost. That should put it closer to the other Oly ships on the balance sheet too. Then you just open up a can of whammy on Gunner to make it a more usable class and It has a decent ship waiting for it to use. You cant balance a class just off the zeus throne (the only reason I have been able to come up with to explain the need to wait to tweak the ZT) If you did balance it off that ship it would suck using anything else and it will have to be rebalanced again later if any gear over T21 is added to game. Can we get an ETA on gunner fixes or an idea of what sort of idea (if any) has been decided upon as a change or beef to gunner? _________________ ![]() |
Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:13 pm |
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Main: enkelin
Level: 5600 Joined: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:28 pm Posts: 11109 |
We've been assured by the dev team that the ZT is not getting a 3rd aug slot.
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:58 pm |
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anilv wrote: We've been assured by the dev team that the ZT is not getting a 3rd aug slot. Lame. _________________ ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:19 pm |
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Rank: Main: Rhys Level: 3919 Joined: Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:57 pm Posts: 701 |
anilv wrote: We've been assured by the dev team that the ZT is not getting a 3rd aug slot. So you mean their not going to first break the ship used by the class that needs reworking, nerf it a bit, then beef the class immensely, and then nerf that a bit, like the Absentis/Sniper? ![]() _________________ The fundamental difference between a trader and an investor - an investment, from a trader's perspective, is a trade gone bad. |
Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:23 pm |
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Rank: Director Main: goldstar-stations Level: 6861 Joined: Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:54 pm Posts: 1174 |
anilv wrote: We've been assured by the dev team that the ZT is not getting a 3rd aug slot. They have? I didn't see that, could you drop a link? _________________ ![]() |
Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:32 pm |
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Main: Spatzz
Level: 3104 Joined: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:40 am Posts: 3122 |
A 3rd aug slot was easily the best fix for the ship with it's current stats. Would not be even close to broken considering we have t21 ships roaming with 4.
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:32 pm |
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Main: enkelin
Level: 5600 Joined: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:28 pm Posts: 11109 |
I'm not going to dig up a link at the moment. I guess it's always possible that they'll reconsider, but it was clearly stated by a content dev on the forum that a 3rd aug was out of the question. I can't say I disagree with that, to be honest.
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:44 pm |
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anilv wrote: I'm not going to dig up a link at the moment. I guess it's always possible that they'll reconsider, but it was clearly stated by a content dev on the forum that a 3rd aug was out of the question. I can't say I disagree with that, to be honest. I remember goldy saying a 3rd aug slot would bring the ZT up to being slightly less powerful than an HM, but the ZT+ would be slightly more powerful than an HM+, which seems a fair trade off imo. I know names don't mean anything to you calcutron, but surely ZEUS Throne should be the best (if only by a little) and most expensive ship. _________________ Giovani dos Santos ... Olé! |
Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:12 pm |
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Main: enkelin
Level: 5600 Joined: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:28 pm Posts: 11109 |
I'm not too thrilled about the prospect of *anything* being as broken as the HM(+), to be honest. How about some more judiciously chosen inbuilts on the ZT instead of the freedom of a whole new aug slot?
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:34 pm |
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Rank: Peon Main: Dindu Nuffin Level: 3522 Joined: Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:44 pm Posts: 2156 Location: Californication |
a ZT+ will in no way be more powerful than a HM+ lol HM is the best ship in game atm _________________ Death to Pirates! http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/2103/mutes.jpg |
Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:15 pm |
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Rank: Main: Stabberz Level: 2414 Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:55 am Posts: 3696 |
I have an idea for a ZT SSS that would really bring it inline with other ships.
Zeus Throne Augmenter Slot: Adds an augmenter slot to the Zeus throne. This item deletes itself after 1 use. _________________ Blue Dwarf wrote: In space, no one can hear you cha cha cha. ![]() |
Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:00 pm |
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Griffin wrote: I have an idea for a ZT SSS that would really bring it inline with other ships. Zeus Throne Augmenter Slot: Adds an augmenter slot to the Zeus throne. This item deletes itself after 1 use. lolwut _________________ Death to Pirates! http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/2103/mutes.jpg |
Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:31 pm |
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Main: Prommilypicklesomnomnom
Level: 4704 Joined: Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:41 am Posts: 873 |
While a ZT+ may beat a HM+ in sheer stats, think about the classes that will use it, and that actually looks a lot more balanced.
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