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Post Re: [Content] Zeus Throne
Why not add a 3rd aug slot(optional). AND +20% to 30% Missile and Fighter stats built in. This works for both classes.


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The trouble with the balance sheets(afaik) is that there isn't any sort of scale for price vs tech vs usefulness. Again, afaik, it's just "Expensive" and "Very Expensive", with like 5% and 10% boosts in power.

It would be nice if someone could concoct a formula that lets you adjust the price like a slider and have the number of "Points" available to improve the ship increase as well. Heck, a ship building tool in general would be super cool; At each tech, a ship could have a certain number of points to put into stats, and increasing the tech or the price would the adjust that number of points upwards or downwards. Then some stats would take more or less points based on the tech of the ship, and essentially anyone could design a perfectly balanced ship.

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The trouble with the balance sheets(afaik) is that there isn't any sort of scale for price vs tech vs usefulness. Again, afaik, it's just "Expensive" and "Very Expensive", with like 5% and 10% boosts in power.

It would be nice if someone could concoct a formula that lets you adjust the price like a slider and have the number of "Points" available to improve the ship increase as well. Heck, a ship building tool in general would be super cool; At each tech, a ship could have a certain number of points to put into stats, and increasing the tech or the price would the adjust that number of points upwards or downwards. Then some stats would take more or less points based on the tech of the ship, and essentially anyone could design a perfectly balanced ship.

That's basically how the balance sheets work, there are more things we can tweak that just cost and tech though.

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The trouble with the balance sheets(afaik) is that there isn't any sort of scale for price vs tech vs usefulness. Again, afaik, it's just "Expensive" and "Very Expensive", with like 5% and 10% boosts in power.

It would be nice if someone could concoct a formula that lets you adjust the price like a slider and have the number of "Points" available to improve the ship increase as well. Heck, a ship building tool in general would be super cool; At each tech, a ship could have a certain number of points to put into stats, and increasing the tech or the price would the adjust that number of points upwards or downwards. Then some stats would take more or less points based on the tech of the ship, and essentially anyone could design a perfectly balanced ship.


This wouldn't be too difficult to build from a balance standpoint, you would just have to make the importance of certain skills higher than others so that you could retain the stats you wanted. So really, you'd have a scale of importance for the build from 1-5, or even 1-10 if you wanted to be anal, set it, and boom. Play with any stat to adjust the other stats dynamically based on their importance to the build.

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So.... any update on what is being considered for adding / tweaking on the Zeus Throne?

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Cygnus wrote:
The trouble with the balance sheets(afaik) is that there isn't any sort of scale for price vs tech vs usefulness. Again, afaik, it's just "Expensive" and "Very Expensive", with like 5% and 10% boosts in power.

It would be nice if someone could concoct a formula that lets you adjust the price like a slider and have the number of "Points" available to improve the ship increase as well. Heck, a ship building tool in general would be super cool; At each tech, a ship could have a certain number of points to put into stats, and increasing the tech or the price would the adjust that number of points upwards or downwards. Then some stats would take more or less points based on the tech of the ship, and essentially anyone could design a perfectly balanced ship.

That's basically how the balance sheets work, there are more things we can tweak that just cost and tech though.


Well yeah, that's the point, but what I meant is like a flash tool, so anyone could do it quickly and easily.

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Yeah, what Cyggles said. Anyone. You don't have to go into the coding of SS; it is merely for coming up with ship and gear ideas so the admins don't go "Give us some vague ideas and we'll get back to you in a month after you post the suggestion".


Super Items would have to be on a case-by-case system, but a suggested super could easily be given values in such tool, so you could mix-match stuff until you find a super that doesn't break the ship.


Remember, this is for reducing the workload on the developers in the long run, not so people can dream up fantasy ships.


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Couldnt you just give it a 3rd aug slot and call it a day? It is a useful ship but there is better at the lower cost range.
From my stand point its almost like having a .50 that you cant use because its missing the scope so you go off and use the .308 instead.
Of course it has more drop in inch/distance but now you can see what your doing...

Not sure if anyone got that second part, but it makes sense to me :\ Put a scope on the .50... (Add 3rd aug)

Other than that, i really dont see a problem aside from weak fighters.


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No, 3rd aug would be way too powerful.

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If you use that argument, we should remove the 4th aug off the prawn and HM, too.


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If you use that argument, we should remove the 4th aug off the prawn and HM, too.

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If you use that argument, we should remove the 4th aug off the prawn and HM, too.

I would of done that if it was feasible:

Either gotter manually unequip everyone's augmenters which could get em stuck in a station or whatever or code a way to force them to unaug.

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Portable Unaug Box Prawn
Portable Unaug Box HM
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Unaugs the ship once
Consumed when used


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Portable Unaug Box Prawn
Portable Unaug Box HM
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Unaugs the ship once
Consumed when used

The problem is that owners of Prawns and HMs would have to use the /outfithull command to acquire this item, and nobody with their 4 aug HM/Prawn will do that.

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I never said you would need /outfithull.
Just make and run a program that adds such item to every HM and Prawn and then the program uses the item.


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