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Main: Sceadu
Level: 1913 Joined: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:38 pm Posts: 1381 |
You forgot to mention that the zeus throne has TWICE the resists of the PBF...which means twice the shield bank and twice the shield regen. And Shm's act like they're doing twice the damage.
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:28 am |
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Rank: Director Main: Blue Dwarf Level: 2067 Joined: Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:39 pm Posts: 3336 |
You also forget that you need to squeeze a damn good engine in with that to combat the -turning and -thrust on the Hibernation Augmenter
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:46 am |
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Rank: Officer Main: Discharge Level: 2691 Joined: Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:28 am Posts: 1922 |
Not really, in my opinion. I have several setups that does fine with Hibernation Augmenters, you just need tweaks, bar skills, and a suited engine (Does not mean you need a damn good engine).
Back on topic, the Zeus Throne needs a beef. I consider myself the only person using a Zeus Throne actively, and that is because mine is auged for tractoring and supportive reasons for the rest of my squad, without being as large and bulky as a Red Photon Carrier and therefore not being hit in collision codes. What am I trying to say? There are not many people in this game that have the use for a ship like that. And I don't even use any of the inbuilt items when I use my Zeus Throne. |
Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:52 am |
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Rank: Officer Main: number666.5 Level: 8923 Joined: Wed May 03, 2006 4:12 pm Posts: 3457 Location: nowhere |
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30% energy 30% heat 60% physical 30% radiation 30% surgical 10% mining 0% transference 60% laser 60% energy 60% heat 80% physical 60% radiation 60% surgical 40% mining ?% transference (think its 0 or -10% thought uth uploaded all the stats) yes it have around 2 times the resist thats true 5200000 weight on a PBF might indeed be a small problem with a hibernation aug, a UHLT or PLT can solve that and as thermal said barskills can do a lot in there but we are talking about a t20 ship that cost around 5-8b to build and a t21 ship that costs 200-300b to built _________________ Valkyrie300 wrote: You need to thoroughly think before sprouting exaggerated statements |
Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:14 am |
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Rank: Director Main: goldstar-stations Level: 6543 Joined: Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:54 pm Posts: 1174 |
Quote: but we are talking about a t20 ship that cost around 5-8b to build and a t21 ship that costs 200-300b to built precisely.. The balance sheets quite obviously got lost on the way to work when someone opened the window of the car.. Jeff has always said that cost was a factor in his balance sheets.. If that is so the ZT should make the PBF look like a child's toy. And if the sheets do actually take into account rarity and costs like Jeff said there is no way you could compare them realistically. It would be like comparing a warden to a zebra. (Iv actually played long enough to have seen the days when a warden could take on an Izer and win..warden was the shit!) _________________ |
Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:03 am |
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Rank: Officer Main: Discharge Level: 2691 Joined: Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:28 am Posts: 1922 |
Don't make the Zeus Throne become another Assault Behemoth+. Which means, don't make it a really expensive ship with cheaper alternatives that can compare easily, and then after a long time getting a sufficient beef to match it's build cost and rareness.
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:08 am |
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Rank: Director Main: goldstar-stations Level: 6543 Joined: Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:54 pm Posts: 1174 |
The Lost One wrote: Don't make the Zeus Throne become another Assault Behemoth+. Which means, don't make it a really expensive ship with cheaper alternatives that can compare easily, and then after a long time getting a sufficient beef to match it's build cost and rareness. Its more likely to stay in cobwebs with the exception of the lucky olly runs where the ship drops or someone manages to scare up the credits and materials. Sorta like RadX back in the day.. was stupid hard to make work and cost a lot to do it.. So...everyone was a sniper, SD, MF, DM(its drone master..not engineer ya bums!) and shm instead. Heck...I think Quantum was the only person to ever use it back then.. _________________ |
Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:14 am |
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Quote: DM(its drone master..not engineer ya bums!) not really the class is engineer and drone master is a subskill of it just give the ZT a small beef like +600% shield and energy bonus in staid of 400% then it would match the PBF. the PBF have more DPS but is less tank then a ZT _________________ Valkyrie300 wrote: You need to thoroughly think before sprouting exaggerated statements |
Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:01 pm |
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Main: nutter
Level: 86 Joined: Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:58 pm Posts: 287 |
I would rather like to see a 3rd aug slot, imo.
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:05 pm |
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Rank: Councilor Main: Churchill Level: 5620 Joined: Sat Dec 09, 2006 10:36 pm Posts: 11706 |
Disclaimer: I don't have a T21 ship. And my FC is long gone. And, I hate it when serious people tell me to use 2 Hera+ for my Dreads, both my gunner and my FC.
Opinions: A 3 aug slot Capital ship that isn't skimping on the hull or resists would be a great idea. And make it useful for both hitting hard and for controlling a fleet, because unlike the Warship/Carrier, it has to do both. Maybe even scrap the idea of +Shield bonus altogether and make it a massive resist tank. _________________ Salt Assault drew this conclusion from the latest devblog. [img]http://oi62.tinypic.com/33208ex.jpg[/img] |
Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:47 pm |
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Rank: Main: Stabberz Level: 2414 Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:55 am Posts: 3696 |
master802 wrote: I would rather like to see a 3rd aug slot, imo. _________________ Blue Dwarf wrote: In space, no one can hear you cha cha cha. |
Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:50 pm |
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Main: Sceadu
Level: 1913 Joined: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:38 pm Posts: 1381 |
lordjeroen wrote: Quote: DM(its drone master..not engineer ya bums!) not really the class is engineer and drone master is a subskill of it Derp. Noob! _________________ http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1408128/Demiser_of_D landswimmer wrote: ALL HAIL CYG THE MESSIAH! |
Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:18 pm |
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Rank: Director Main: goldstar-stations Level: 6543 Joined: Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:54 pm Posts: 1174 |
Cygnus wrote: lordjeroen wrote: Quote: DM(its drone master..not engineer ya bums!) not really the class is engineer and drone master is a subskill of it Derp. Noob! It was drone master, and all of it's offensive capabilities (which make things die, and make DGs possible.) are drones. Therefore... It is still Drone Master. But back on topic, I like the idea of adding a third aug slot. If we have to we could cut the shields and energy bonus as a trade. _________________ |
Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:48 pm |
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Main: nutter
Level: 86 Joined: Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:58 pm Posts: 287 |
It has lower Shield and Energy inbuilt bonuses as it is, and considering it consumes Platinum to make, I don't see that it would need anything to compensate the 3rd aug slot.
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:54 pm |
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Rank: Main: Stabberz Level: 2414 Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:55 am Posts: 3696 |
By goldstar's logic, Gunners should be killed Missile Masters.
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:10 pm |
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