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Post Speed Demons and Class Balance
Does anyone else wonder why speed demons aren't dominant in pvp? Speed demons are very, VERY fast so they can dodge even magcannons shot by snipers and while beam weapons are what screw over SD's edge in dodging, good light fighters have high resistance to laser weapons. Add diffusers and theoretically, if the SD stays out of range and/or dodges all the shots, they should own all other classes easily since laser weapons are ineffective.

Heck, SDs should easily dodge all non-insta hit projectiles and I've seen slow ass zerks defeat SDs. Zerks are slow and easy to outrange and still don't tank as much as FCs or gunners. Pretty sure they aren't a threat to speed demons. Lastly, SDs have decent tank ability, are stealth, and deal medium-high damage too.


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Post Re: Speed Demons and Class Balance
I can't even tell if you think SDs are underpowered or overpowered. Either way this seems like another QQ thread to me.

Also, there's beam weapons of every damage type in the game thanks to the heph line of weapons so the biggest portion of your post is already irrelevant :roll:

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Taking bets on when this guy is gonna get forum banned!

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Shhh don't encourage him. Although if he's really from some backwater Pacific island I feel bad for him since he clearly has no one to talk to there.

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Post Re: Speed Demons and Class Balance
well idk about pvp, they probably still have relevance there

but either way, it takes a ton of investment for SD to be able to do much

i can make almost any other class for way less than what SD costs and have a much higher return on my investment

honestly, i just wish SD wasn't so expensive

seer is the same way almost, same with zerker

zerker still needs shm by the looks of it, seer isn't really viable in pvai still, really good at pvp though, but idk if that's a reason to just not do anything about it


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Post Re: Speed Demons and Class Balance
Lol SD got one the best crucible items ever for a pvp beef. Now lets not start with seers.

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Post Re: Speed Demons and Class Balance
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Does anyone else wonder why speed demons aren't dominant in pvp? Speed demons are very, VERY fast so they can dodge even magcannons shot by snipers and while beam weapons are what screw over SD's edge in dodging, good light fighters have high resistance to laser weapons. Add diffusers and theoretically, if the SD stays out of range and/or dodges all the shots, they should own all other classes easily since laser weapons are ineffective.

Heck, SDs should easily dodge all non-insta hit projectiles and I've seen slow ass zerks defeat SDs. Zerks are slow and easy to outrange and still don't tank as much as FCs or gunners. Pretty sure they aren't a threat to speed demons. Lastly, SDs have decent tank ability, are stealth, and deal medium-high damage too.

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the problems with SDs is mainly skill, if you cant SD, your char is also not good. for zerks, prawn snipers, none solo monks and FCs its just common sense. for stealth sniper, seer and SDs its all about skill. if you dont have it you cant do much compared to an experienced SD player. a good SD can take out a whole squad (helro). take on bana (enk, me, nathan/embers). they are indeed endgame, but none of us could do it without our experience.
in the past (3-4 years ago) i been DGing on a zebra SD, 5-10b worth of gear in DF 300+. its easy if you know wtf you are doing

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any SD can solo bana. its easy as fk lol

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Post Re: Speed Demons and Class Balance
Old Spice wrote:
well idk about pvp, they probably still have relevance there

but either way, it takes a ton of investment for SD to be able to do much

i can make almost any other class for way less than what SD costs and have a much higher return on my investment

honestly, i just wish SD wasn't so expensive

seer is the same way almost, same with zerker

zerker still needs shm by the looks of it, seer isn't really viable in pvai still, really good at pvp though, but idk if that's a reason to just not do anything about it


A statement belied by the fact that SD is a popular first choice for new players along with FC and DM. Also, SDs are only expensive once you hit t19 or above, which is probably why new players like this class so much. My strategy to level up a SD: Hotrod+<Hotrod Mega<Wingship V<Urqa suqqa vazuk. Only the vazuk is even remotely expensive while the other ones are easily obtainable via capping or AI bases.

Another good thing about SDs is that they are one of the best classes for DG runs, though they might lack the hull space to scoop up loot.


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Post Re: Speed Demons and Class Balance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BMq6X4 ... e=youtu.be

SD DPS is bad?

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Too bad you gotta kill yourself in the process :mrgreen:

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Too bad you gotta kill yourself in the process :mrgreen:



Hey, to do >1m dps I think it's worth losing 90k shields. XD

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Post Re: Speed Demons and Class Balance
ELITE wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BMq6X45t-0&feature=youtu.be

SD DPS is bad?


When did I ever say SD DPS is bad? Their DPS is either average or above average. That video only corroborates the idea that SD should be the best pvp class in the game, yet they still get owned by other classes, even zerkers, which IMO is sad.


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ELITE wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BMq6X45t-0&feature=youtu.be

SD DPS is bad?


When did I ever say SD DPS is bad? Their DPS is either average or above average. That video only corroborates the idea that SD should be the best pvp class in the game, yet they still get owned by other classes, even zerkers, which IMO is sad.



I can kill a zerker through heals. Lol.

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Post Re: Speed Demons and Class Balance
HPA, TBBT already explained it to you in this thread. Some classes take skill to be effective, and come classes take directional keys and a spacebar to be effective.

SD, Seer, Stealth Sniper, Solo Zerk, etc... all take knowledge and skill to be effective. Without being a skilled an knowledgable player your character can have all the best gear, and skills in the game and will still be entirely lackluster. Put that same character on a skilled player though, and it will be nigh unstoppable in PvP.


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