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Main: ShawnMcCall
Level: 2589 Joined: Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:42 am Posts: 1932 |
Interesting fact, you nerf tracking and afk MCed snipers won't connect without someone piloting... but then the guys with snipers that will still have 2k+ range *after this nerf* won't be able to run 4 snipers on their own... so can't make that change, because it would actually be effective.
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Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:36 pm |
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Main: enkelin
Level: 5600 Joined: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:28 pm Posts: 11109 |
Hard to keep you happy when you complain we don't nerf endgamers enough (this thread) but we nerf them too much (base gear thread).
We can throw on -50% tracking as well and test it a bit to see if it works. _________________ Hi, I'm Anil, a long-time player turned developer. I am Star Sonata's lead content developer, which means that I run weekly dev meetings and make sure that any proposed changes to the game receive proper review before going live. http://www.starsonata.com/features |
Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:58 pm |
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anilv wrote: Hard to keep you happy when you complain we don't nerf endgamers enough (this thread) but we nerf them too much (base gear thread). We can throw on -50% tracking as well and test it a bit to see if it works. We're more than willing to touch the Tracking as well. _________________ http://www.starsonata.com/suggestions |
Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:59 pm |
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Main: ShawnMcCall
Level: 2589 Joined: Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:42 am Posts: 1932 |
anilv wrote: Hard to keep you happy when you complain we don't nerf endgamers enough (this thread) but we nerf them too much (base gear thread). We can throw on -50% tracking as well and test it a bit to see if it works. Someone doesn't pay attention... if you paid any attention when you read it, I actually stayed pretty close to the point that X gear on all bases allows for more convenient and cheap griefing of new guys by endgamers... I also brought up that the change was only necessary because no one on the admin team had the balls to deal with endgamers griefing new guys incessantly *cough* 13 *cough*, which is what lead to the change. So, nice try but my arguments have been consistent... |
Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:10 pm |
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Rank: Councilor Main: 1-800-USE_THE_FORCE! Level: 9597 Joined: Sun Aug 28, 2005 6:36 pm Posts: 2769 |
Anyways, id much rather a resist nerf then range nerf. Or even a tracking nerf i guess.
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Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:20 pm |
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Rank: Operator Main: Rendghast Level: 3504 Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:47 am Posts: 512 |
*waves hand*
WHy are we nerfing a perfectly reasonable ship? I am not seeing how it is OP at all. Its tech 21 with 4 aug slots....ok, barring a few VERY hard to get augs (as people have repeatedly pointed out) how is that OP? If the problem is the augs, nerf the augs. If the problem is the 4th slot, remove that and give it some better stats to compensate. _________________ |
Sat Aug 27, 2016 1:22 am |
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Rank: Main: Dark Steel Level: 9138 Joined: Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:35 am Posts: 2068 Location: Netherlands |
Tracking nerf seems like an unnecessary annoyance to me. If you Mc you'll be on your snipers active client 90 percent of the time anyway (unless you also Mc a zerk , I suppose)
I'm all for removing the 4th Aug slot as well and giving it good inbuilt mods to compensate. _________________ ~DarkSteel / Auxilium Universe Map: http://www.starsonata.com/map/ |
Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:41 am |
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Rank: Peon Main: The White Wizard Level: 4276 Joined: Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:28 am Posts: 252 |
heylo wrote: Tracking nerf seems like an unnecessary annoyance to me. If you Mc you'll be on your snipers active client 90 percent of the time anyway (unless you also Mc a zerk , I suppose) I'm all for removing the 4th Aug slot as well and giving it good inbuilt mods to compensate. How about reducing stats on all augs by at least 50% and doubling the aug slots on all ships. The prawn nerf doesn't matter any more, it's an obsolete ship. _________________ |
Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:03 am |
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Rank: Main: Dark Steel Level: 9138 Joined: Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:35 am Posts: 2068 Location: Netherlands |
the white wizard wrote: heylo wrote: Tracking nerf seems like an unnecessary annoyance to me. If you Mc you'll be on your snipers active client 90 percent of the time anyway (unless you also Mc a zerk , I suppose) I'm all for removing the 4th Aug slot as well and giving it good inbuilt mods to compensate. How about reducing stats on all augs by at least 50% and doubling the aug slots on all ships. The prawn nerf doesn't matter any more, it's an obsolete ship. How about no. It's still the best sniper (and dps zerk) ship ingame, how is it obsolete? _________________ ~DarkSteel / Auxilium Universe Map: http://www.starsonata.com/map/ |
Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:28 am |
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Rank: Officer Main: Blizzara Level: 6660 Joined: Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:25 pm Posts: 1974 Location: Finland |
I feel -50% would be too devastating for people with 3 CaL, dwatt or even 2 CaL, emp, dwatt. Personally I'd rather see multiple small nerfs slowly instead of one major nerf.
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Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:00 am |
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Rank: Peon Main: The White Wizard Level: 4276 Joined: Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:28 am Posts: 252 |
heylo wrote: the white wizard wrote: heylo wrote: Tracking nerf seems like an unnecessary annoyance to me. If you Mc you'll be on your snipers active client 90 percent of the time anyway (unless you also Mc a zerk , I suppose) I'm all for removing the 4th Aug slot as well and giving it good inbuilt mods to compensate. How about reducing stats on all augs by at least 50% and doubling the aug slots on all ships. The prawn nerf doesn't matter any more, it's an obsolete ship. How about no. It's still the best sniper (and dps zerk) ship ingame, how is it obsolete? Ofcourse. _________________ |
Sat Aug 27, 2016 12:45 pm |
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Rank: Soldier Main: LemonPrime Level: 8087 Joined: Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:14 pm Posts: 5747 |
I still find it funny that we all know the issue is the DPS, but for some reason the only nerf that is going to happen in the last 5 years is a range nerf.
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Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:31 pm |
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I don't actually have a problem with the DPS you can do in a Prawn tbh. The Prawn tends to be nuts because people who want to invest in a Sniper have invested in the Prawn and have tons of mods and expensive augs. If they were to take those augs and mods and the time they spent on it into another ship they would do a relative amount of damage (I think me and DS worked out the Delquadrikamdon that I did as somewhere between 70%-80% of a Prawn), but they wouldn't have as much range.
I honestly don't think doing a ton of DPS is a problem, and I don't think the development team as a whole has a problem with players doing a lot of DPS. The problem is that the DPS augs most favored tend to come with a very hefty amount of range, 3 aug heavy fighters already have a considerable amount of range. When the Prawn gets to throw another augmenter in there, players will generally put another one of those DPS augs on it. And, lo and behold, those high DPS augs tend to have a decent amount of range on them. Range actually does affect DPS, albeit indirectly, when it comes to DPS uptime. Tracking has the same effect. You all know that your DPS doesn't mean anything if your weapons aren't hitting the target, that's why seasoned players tend to use weapons that have good range and tracking (Or compensate by augging for it). TL;DR: I think nerfing the range on the Prawn pushes the Prawn away from an all purpose ship and towards a heavy weapons platform, meaning that you pick the Prawn to do as much damage as you can to anything that gets close enough to you. This leaves room for ships and setups that want to take advantage of more range and (maybe) more tracking, especially when a player doesn't care about cranking out the highest DPS they can do at that tier. That really matters against more nimble/speedy targets. _________________ http://www.starsonata.com/suggestions |
Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:11 pm |
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Rank: Councilor Main: 1-800-USE_THE_FORCE! Level: 9597 Joined: Sun Aug 28, 2005 6:36 pm Posts: 2769 |
50% is too much. Id be much more in favor of a -5% resist nerf and -20% range nerf or something like that.
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Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:34 pm |
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Rank: Soldier Main: Fleet General Level: 3378 Joined: Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:50 am Posts: 341 Location: Straya |
MasterTrader wrote: I don't actually have a problem with the DPS you can do in a Prawn tbh. The Prawn tends to be nuts because people who want to invest in a Sniper have invested in the Prawn and have tons of mods and expensive augs. If they were to take those augs and mods and the time they spent on it into another ship they would do a relative amount of damage (I think me and DS worked out the Delquadrikamdon that I did as somewhere between 70%-80% of a Prawn), but they wouldn't have as much range. I honestly don't think doing a ton of DPS is a problem, and I don't think the development team as a whole has a problem with players doing a lot of DPS. The problem is that the DPS augs most favored tend to come with a very hefty amount of range, 3 aug heavy fighters already have a considerable amount of range. When the Prawn gets to throw another augmenter in there, players will generally put another one of those DPS augs on it. And, lo and behold, those high DPS augs tend to have a decent amount of range on them. Range actually does affect DPS, albeit indirectly, when it comes to DPS uptime. Tracking has the same effect. You all know that your DPS doesn't mean anything if your weapons aren't hitting the target, that's why seasoned players tend to use weapons that have good range and tracking (Or compensate by augging for it). TL;DR: I think nerfing the range on the Prawn pushes the Prawn away from an all purpose ship and towards a heavy weapons platform, meaning that you pick the Prawn to do as much damage as you can to anything that gets close enough to you. This leaves room for ships and setups that want to take advantage of more range and (maybe) more tracking, especially when a player doesn't care about cranking out the highest DPS they can do at that tier. That really matters against more nimble/speedy targets. Didn't we all agree that the amount of DPS you need to do currently to kill anything is stupid and that the MF meta needed to be changed? And weren't you in favour of rebalancing Olympus, Subspace and PPS to have less shields and be more interesting than to sit still for an hour holding down space bar. Seriously, the DPS a prawn sniper does regardless of the cost invested in it is ridiculous for this game and it's annoying that content is being balanced around that. Also, the fuck is a range nerf going to do? Engineers still carry tractors. |
Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:38 pm |
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