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Author:  andsimo [ Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: StarSonata Calculator
vampire2948 wrote:
The sustainable DPS calculation is broken for transference weaponry.

Need to take absolute values before doing the min function, or something.


Paladin,
Fixed
Author:  andsimo [ Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: StarSonata Calculator
Don't remember if I asked and got this confirmed before, however:

The current critical DPS calculation is as follows:

$Calculated_Crit_DPS[$r] = $Calculated_DPS[$r] * (1.5 * $Mods[3]['Value']) * (1 + (0.01 + ($Mods[1]['Value']-1)) * $Build_Items["Weapon" . $r]['Multifire']);

DPS (Crit.) = DPS * 1.5 * Mod_Effect_Crit_Strength * (1.01 + Mod_Effect_Crit_Chance) * #Multifiring_Weapons

Is this correct?
Kinda feels like the Crit_Strength and Crit_Chance are increasing too fast?
Author:  vampire2948 [ Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: StarSonata Calculator
Pretty sure there's something wrong with the crit. / dps calculations. Your calculator tells me I can make an Engineer slave that does 120k dps -- Lies!

Paladin,
Author:  andsimo [ Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: StarSonata Calculator
Since DPS is pretty straight forward, I'm thinking there is something wrong with the critical DPS calculation. Since the crit. dps doesn't update in the ship window it needs to be compared to the Weapon Critical Damage value. So if you are online and have a build with any effects in critical hit resistance and / or critical strength, please test :-)

Information from wiki:
Quote:
Critical Hits are attacks that, by chance, do 50% more damage (However some classes do get bonuses to critical hit damage, such as Sniper Class and Seer Class) and disables something in the enemy ship for 3 seconds. The indicator for the effect is a ring of tweak icons.

"Chance of a critical hit is 1% + 5% if it's an ambush (they can't see you when you fire) + anything from items and augs + bonuses from your skills, all divided by 1 + the targets critical hit resistance." -JeffL
Author:  andsimo [ Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: StarSonata Calculator
Yhea gotta be wrong:

$Calculated_Crit_DPS[$r] = $Calculated_DPS[$r] * (1.5 * $Mods[3]['Value']) * (1 + (0.01 + ($Mods[1]['Value']-1)) * $Build_Items["Weapon" . $r]['Multifire']);

DPS (Crit.) = DPS * 1.5 * Mod_Effect_Crit_Strength * (1.01 + Mod_Effect_Crit_Chance) * #Multifiring_Weapons

Should atleast be:
DPS (Crit.) = DPS * 1.5 * Mod_Effect_Crit_Strength * (0.01 + Mod_Effect_Crit_Chance) + DPS

EDIT: The DPS already has multifire incorporated, so shouldn't have added that. And now it only applies critical damage on 1% and not 101% (Without crit mods).
Author:  andsimo [ Thu Feb 25, 2016 5:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: StarSonata Calculator
Ok, looked a bit more on the critical hit chance calculation. I'm pretty sure it was still wrong.

Now calculates the following:
Crit. DPS = DPS * Crit. Strength * Crit. Chance + DPS (1- Crit. Chance)

Where:
Crit. Strength = 1,5 * Mod Crit. Strength
Crit. Chance = 0,01 + (Mod Crit. Chance - 1)

EDIT: It still looks like my scrupling wants a Hibernation Augmenter though.
Author:  andsimo [ Thu Feb 25, 2016 6:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: StarSonata Calculator
With these calculations, the Critical Hit Chance can be above 100%, which makes no sense. Since hit chance can't be above or under 100%. So it is probably still wrong.
Author:  vampire2948 [ Thu Feb 25, 2016 6:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: StarSonata Calculator
andsimo wrote:
With these calculations, the Critical Hit Chance can be above 100%, which makes no sense. Since hit chance can't be above or under 100%. So it is probably still wrong.


You can reach >100% crit chance.

Just make it take the minimum of 100 or your current crit chance.


Pala,
Author:  andsimo [ Thu Feb 25, 2016 6:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: StarSonata Calculator
But in-game, it is probably positive having a critical hit chance above 100%?

Because if it is, the calculations are done in another way. I guess I have to sit down and test it myself :-)
Author:  vampire2948 [ Thu Feb 25, 2016 6:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: StarSonata Calculator
andsimo wrote:
But in-game, it is probably positive having a critical hit chance above 100%?

Because if it is, the calculations are done in another way. I guess I have to sit down and test it myself :-)


A crit. chance of >100% in game just means you crit every time. It is equivalent to a crit. chance of 100%.
Author:  andsimo [ Thu Feb 25, 2016 6:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: StarSonata Calculator
Ahh ok. Min function it is.
Author:  anilv [ Thu Feb 25, 2016 7:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: StarSonata Calculator
andsimo wrote:
Ok, looked a bit more on the critical hit chance calculation. I'm pretty sure it was still wrong.

Now calculates the following:
Crit. DPS = DPS * Crit. Strength * Crit. Chance + DPS (1- Crit. Chance)

Where:
Crit. Strength = 1,5 * Mod Crit. Strength
Crit. Chance = 0,01 + (Mod Crit. Chance - 1)

EDIT: It still looks like my scrupling wants a Hibernation Augmenter though.


Crit. Strength is still wrong. It's 1 + 0.5*(1+augmod). So for example, if you have a total of +75% Crit Strength from augmenters, you will do

1 + 0.5*(1+0.75) = 1.875 <=> 87.5% extra damage on crits. Note that the formula can also be written as

1.5 + 0.5*augmod, which effectively means that you only get 1/2 of your stated augmod added to the usual 50% critical damage bonus.

That's unless you're a seer, in which case the formula is

1 + (0.5 * (1+0.05*N))*(1+augmod)

where N is your level in Psychic Sight. At max level of N=20, this formula simply states

1+(1+augmod) = 2+augmod
Author:  andsimo [ Thu Feb 25, 2016 7:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: StarSonata Calculator
Thnx, that makes a Seer skill much more valuable. Calculator updated so critical hit strength mod only increases the crit. strength bonus of 50% and not the full 150%.
Author:  andsimo [ Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: StarSonata Calculator
Changed:
- Some stats are shown in the build viewer
- All builds are shown in the build viewer (Private* and public)

*You can still not see the configuration of the private builds (unless it is yours), only the stats shown in the build viewer.

PS: For the change to take effect on existing builds, the build must be saved by the build's owner.
Author:  nobody285 [ Tue Mar 01, 2016 2:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: StarSonata Calculator
hey, here to bug you again about the calc XD , there seems to be an error in base calculations becuase it says all bases have -900 ish energy no matter what energy
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