Just wanted to start another conversation with you guys. This game needs more incentives to not MC, there is like a million reasons why MCing is great. However there is none to not MCing.

What would you guys think if space break was removed, as well as shift+spacebar and everything else that is so crucial for MCing. Sure its extreme, but it would for sure cut down on the MCing and make those people that MC so much want to bring along more friends on runs. Not really a great incentive for non MCing people but i cant think of much.

Any ideas and what would be some great incentives for people who dont MC?

P.S. This is coming from someone who MCs heavily. Just trying to make this game more appealing to the non MCers.

I'm sceptical about this. It's been this way for aslong as I can remember and removing something like auto-shooting would make it next to impossible to MC anything.


However, I think removing auto-brake is an option. It would make it harder to MC (instead of 5 clients people could perhaps run 3 tops) but not impossible.

The thing that really annoyed me concerning "encouraging MC" was the official "Alt + Spacebar/Spacebrake" thing. Instead of having to manually stop/fire weapons, you could clamp down the Spacebar/Spacebrake and the character will continue to fire and brake until it died. I saw no fucking reason why you'd add that if you were not specifically encouraging MCing.

Also. The Alt + Spacebar/Spacebrake was a bug turned into a feature. People used to Alt Tab out to trigger the effect.

But the MCr's are the ones paying the bills right now guys. I'm just saying.

I think the question we need to figure out is if we truely want to eliminate MC'ing, which I dont. I hate having to MC, but I think lowering the amount of chars you have to MC would be better than eliminating it

It's too hard to truly destroy MCing, which is why I'm against that notion.

The problem is that it's SO DAMN EASY to MC. Large MC fleets of active characters are hard, I will say that. But MCing a trio of Fleet Commanders is so easy a donkey can do it. They warp in, jam the Alt Spacebrake, and watch their slaves annihilate everything. That's MCing.

Remove alt-tab too!

You're never going to fully stop MCing, Hober. Games like Eve stopped trying ages ago. Instead, MCing is made difficult in normal combat operations. Having to pilot two separate ships in changing patterns and tactics is very taxing.

If you consider locking space brake to be enabling MCers, I would look at the things we've added to artificially gate MCing difficulty.

Knockback, in general. Entirely useless thing, all it does is piss off players and make no sense because we're in space, there is nothing to transfer the force.

Ubers like Zeus/Hermes/Red NF with hilarious amounts of grem/knockback. The only purpose is to fuck up your squad's positioning, extremely annoying for MCers, nothing for someone on a single client.

Tech 22 requires a lot of positioning, say Engines 22 where you need to actively move your squad to stay in the bubble or you die. Again, annoying for MCers, nothing for a single client.

I would say a large amount of endgame runs have some sort of anti-MC process, but we've just learned to adapt. Even if you remove Space Brake from the game, MCers would just get into the habit of right clicking their alts to autopilot somewhere every once in a while.

If you really want to remove MC, just fucking remove MCing. Lock the game to one client, lose 70% of your subs, and then stop putting in grem/knockback/pull/push effects just to piss off the current MC playerbase. Make a concrete decision for once. Stop doing things to please both sides. Inertial dampening shouldn't exist if the dev position is anti MC. But here we are.

I didnt start this topic with the intend to remove MCing, sure they have added mechanics to annoy people who MC, but those same annoying mechanics are annoying to people who dont MC.

What i wanted to get ideas on was how could we give players who dont MC more of a advantage over people who do MC. Without punishing those that do MC. Or not necessarily a advantage, but just more incentives to not MC.