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Main: ShawnMcCall
Level: 2589 Joined: Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:42 am Posts: 1932 |
ELITE wrote: ShawnMcCall wrote: anilv wrote: I see some space between being a side-grade and a straight upgrade. T22 is not designed to be a straight improvement to all things T21, but you should be able to find ways to make it better than T21, depending on what you do with it. Prawn FCs exist, so the claw should probably be left as is. Two of them. Prawn SDs exist, so we can't remove the 4th aug. Fuck off . Prawn claw isn't OP though. The fourth Aug and MF is the problem. Not the claw. |
Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:05 pm |
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Rank: Peon Main: Mow Level: 9760 Joined: Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:57 pm Posts: 4731 Location: Kuratovo, Russia |
Shawn, now you're sounding like the people who say "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" after mass shootings.
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Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:31 am |
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Main: ShawnMcCall
Level: 2589 Joined: Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:42 am Posts: 1932 |
Tomzta09 wrote: Shawn, now you're sounding like the people who say "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" after mass shootings. Not really... no one goes for a prawn because they're like, "damn, that claw though..." Prawns are ridiculous for their 4th aug and ability to power while MFing (because of the 4th aug). The claw gives -10% resists, which is not a huge deal considering gunners give -20% resists, and FCs give +36% damage from an AI base item, and RP ships drop like -50% resists from their super, and don't even get me started on amp devices. You better go nerf all that shit first, if you're telling me the Prawn Claw is a problem. The Prawn claw is not a huge factor, the only thing it does is allows FCs to play with the ship, and that is not a bad thing at all. |
Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:48 am |
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Rank: Soldier Main: LemonPrime Level: 8087 Joined: Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:14 pm Posts: 5747 |
ShawnMcCall wrote: Tomzta09 wrote: Shawn, now you're sounding like the people who say "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" after mass shootings. Not really... no one goes for a prawn because they're like, "damn, that claw though..." Prawns are ridiculous for their 4th aug and ability to power while MFing (because of the 4th aug). The claw gives -10% resists, which is not a huge deal considering gunners give -20% resists, and FCs give +36% damage from an AI base item, and RP ships drop like -50% resists from their super, and don't even get me started on amp devices. You better go nerf all that shit first, if you're telling me the Prawn Claw is a problem. The Prawn claw is not a huge factor, the only thing it does is allows FCs to play with the ship, and that is not a bad thing at all. Sure. Make it unequipable and sticky to ship and I'm fine with it. _________________ Lemon/Meo |
Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:51 am |
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Main: The Shaft of Discipline
Level: 3680 Joined: Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:45 pm Posts: 1082 |
Hull: 750
Speed: 70 Aug slots: 4 Wep slots: 4 Weight: 1.4m Size: N/a Resists: 24% to all but Trans JuiceGen: 100 Vis: 50 Reflect: 300% AugMods: Shields +50%, Range -20%, Tracking -40% Prawn Claw launches Fighters and Missiles, +20% damage to either. Something like this work? _________________ Reddit Space Invaders! |
Fri Sep 02, 2016 3:02 am |
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Rank: Main: Dark Steel Level: 9138 Joined: Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:35 am Posts: 2068 Location: Netherlands |
Pontius123 wrote: Hull: 750 Speed: 70 Aug slots: 4 Wep slots: 4 Weight: 1.4m Size: N/a Resists: 24% to all but Trans JuiceGen: 100 Vis: 50 Reflect: 300% AugMods: Shields +50%, Range -20%, Tracking -40% Prawn Claw launches Fighters and Missiles, +20% damage to either. Something like this work? Nah cause its keeping the 4th aug in your design which is just a straight up bad idea. I've already started working on a 3 aug redesign. _________________ ~DarkSteel / Auxilium Universe Map: http://www.starsonata.com/map/ |
Fri Sep 02, 2016 3:28 am |
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Rank: Peon Main: Mow Level: 9760 Joined: Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:57 pm Posts: 4731 Location: Kuratovo, Russia |
I liked the idea suggested earlier of having the Claw as a super item instead, like the Red Photon Aura.
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Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:10 am |
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Rank: Peon Main: The White Wizard Level: 4276 Joined: Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:28 am Posts: 252 |
Shawn, the -10% vulnerability aura (-17% for FC prawns) affects it's friends and gives them +17% resistance to all damage types, it doesn't make enemies more vunlerable. The inbuilt prawn aura isn't overpowered or underpowered - as shawn said no one actually says "I'll make a prawn fc because that aura so OP I must have". While beginner players don't have any use for the prawn aura and don't have enough resources to "waste" them like this, the 'endgame' players in large teams do have use for prawn FCs. The main issue with prawn is how much DPS players can get with it and that's what was supposed to be nerfed, the prawn claw was one of the drawbacks for using the ship - the player was stuck with an extremely slow zerker ship that couldn't equip a travel field to go faster. I'd like the prawn claw to remain as an inbuilt aura generator, or at least gives FCs more auras because as it is now a squad can have only up to two FCs for two different auras - a third FC is almost completely useless because the third aura would have similiar stats to the other two and they don't stack. Prawn claw expands the limit to 3 useful FCs.
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Fri Sep 02, 2016 6:39 am |
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Main: The Shaft of Discipline
Level: 3680 Joined: Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:45 pm Posts: 1082 |
heylo wrote: Pontius123 wrote: Hull: 750 Speed: 70 Aug slots: 4 Wep slots: 4 Weight: 1.4m Size: N/a Resists: 24% to all but Trans JuiceGen: 100 Vis: 50 Reflect: 300% AugMods: Shields +50%, Range -20%, Tracking -40% Prawn Claw launches Fighters and Missiles, +20% damage to either. Something like this work? Nah cause its keeping the 4th aug in your design which is just a straight up bad idea. I've already started working on a 3 aug redesign. http://wiki2.starsonata.com/index.php/Equaminizer http://wiki2.starsonata.com/index.php/Shrimp http://wiki2.starsonata.com/index.php/UrQa_Suqqa_Ukuk http://wiki2.starsonata.com/index.php/Scrupling http://wiki2.starsonata.com/index.php/Paxian_Selenologica http://wiki2.starsonata.com/index.php/Hephaestus_Machine http://wiki2.starsonata.com/index.php/Paxian_Battle_Frigate Nerf them too, then. With exception of the Paxian Battle Frigate, they're all four aug slot ships and perfectly balanced (so the admins say the HM is). The PBF is a 3 aug capital ship. While I'd argue that the Mini-Izer and the Ukuk are balanced because of very low hull, neither of them have negative Tracking 'bonus', which at all stages of the game a very hard stat to get back and still keep your high DPS status. Your best bet at T21 is a Markswoman Augmenter, which is pretty crippling when you consider it was a Nightfury Anger or The Emperor's Augmenter before. The purpose of negative Tracking is to hammer MCers. _________________ Reddit Space Invaders! |
Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:45 pm |
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Rank: Main: Dark Steel Level: 9138 Joined: Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:35 am Posts: 2068 Location: Netherlands |
Update: We're most likely going to leave it as it is right now for another universe. The work involved in rebalancing T22 content, reworking T21 heavy fighters and compensating Recon Focus classes appropriately for the upcoming changes to MF2 are going to take quite some time from the volunteer devs. I'm not very confident we can pull it all off in 2 weeks time, especially with colleges starting back up, but we will try our best. If it does seem like we're going to make it before reset I will of course let you all know.
Current plans for the T21 heavy fighter rebalance: You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post. _________________ ~DarkSteel / Auxilium Universe Map: http://www.starsonata.com/map/ |
Sat Sep 03, 2016 10:10 am |
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Rank: Councilor Main: Kaguya Level: 3248 Joined: Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:20 am Posts: 204 |
So to get 1.2x DPS we need to sacrifice DPE and Range, while for more DPE we sacrifice nothing, and for Range we also sacrifice nothing. Sounds like the worst balancing ever done .
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Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:25 pm |
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KonanCruss2 wrote: So to get 1.2x DPS we need to sacrifice DPE and Range, while for more DPE we sacrifice nothing, and for Range we also sacrifice nothing. Sounds like the worst balancing ever done . In before enkelin goes apeshit about me forcing my opinion on others. DPS is a far more valueable stat than range or DPE, that is why we've done it this way. _________________ ~DarkSteel / Auxilium Universe Map: http://www.starsonata.com/map/ |
Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:30 pm |
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Rank: Councilor Main: Kaguya Level: 3248 Joined: Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:20 am Posts: 204 |
Ya, for damn sure. Then you get a -40% Tracking in the end because DPS is more valuable too. It's not like to PvB you need to have 10k range to actually survive, nor do you need alot, and alot of DPS to dent kits; but ohn wait, PvB is non existent next uni, so who cares.
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Sat Sep 03, 2016 1:37 pm |
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Main: enkelin
Level: 5600 Joined: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:28 pm Posts: 11109 |
KonanCruss2 wrote: Ya, for damn sure. Then you get a -40% Tracking in the end because DPS is more valuable too. It's not like to PvB you need to have 10k range to actually survive, nor do you need alot, and alot of DPS to dent kits; but ohn wait, PvB is non existent next uni, so who cares. We haven't made a decision yet on -% Tracking. It will take playtesting first and we haven't had time to do that. _________________ Hi, I'm Anil, a long-time player turned developer. I am Star Sonata's lead content developer, which means that I run weekly dev meetings and make sure that any proposed changes to the game receive proper review before going live. http://www.starsonata.com/features |
Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:31 pm |
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Rank: Officer Main: Blizzara Level: 6660 Joined: Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:25 pm Posts: 1974 Location: Finland |
heylo wrote: KonanCruss2 wrote: So to get 1.2x DPS we need to sacrifice DPE and Range, while for more DPE we sacrifice nothing, and for Range we also sacrifice nothing. Sounds like the worst balancing ever done . In before enkelin goes apeshit about me forcing my opinion on others. DPS is a far more valueable stat than range or DPE, that is why we've done it this way. Commonly best DPE translates into best DPS so I wouldn't be so sure about that. |
Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:14 am |
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