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SodaPop
Team: Rank: Main: PlasmiteRebirth Level: 5304 Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:21 pm Posts: 441
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Re: So the public is aware that Mow is a thief.
Tomzta09 wrote: Exploiting and gaining a teams trust & then robbing them are two different things. he exploited the old system to cap a base in CG the system was recently changed to no longer allow those exploits
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Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:06 am |
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ShawnMcCall
Main: ShawnMcCall Level: 2589
Joined: Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:42 am Posts: 1932
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Re: So the public is aware that Mow is a thief.
kval wrote: kanescreed wrote: Wasn't the whole thing was that the dude that loaned the anger aug to mow also was the one that mis promoted RE dude and costed mowmates a lot of money through the sabo? So tbh i don't think i can call him a thief. Let us be honest here, mowmates should be angry at the actual saboteur not the crappy excuse they used to justifys their sabotage. Wrong, if mow's losses were incurred as a direct result of the leadership's negligence then the leadership is 100% responsible and should have stepped up and taken the hit for him. How can you call yourself a leader if you cannot take responsibility for your actions, the entire point a of leadership is to protect your subordinates. The fact that this guy made a mistake that raped his subordinates of countless resources, then expected them to take the full brunt of the hit tells me that he doesn't deserve repayment for anything he may have lent/sold to anyone whose losses he caused, and far more importantly does not deserve to lead.
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Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:17 am |
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ShawnMcCall
Main: ShawnMcCall Level: 2589
Joined: Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:42 am Posts: 1932
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Re: So the public is aware that Mow is a thief.
Oh, and good luck bringing the fight to mow. He will gain countless more than he stands to lose if you ever try to war/kos him. He holds the distinction of being one of the most skilled PvPers in this game, and you think you are going to inconvenience him?
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Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:19 am |
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Master Sun
Main: Sun Tzu Level: 1
Joined: Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:10 am Posts: 705
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Re: So the public is aware that Mow is a thief.
If your team leaders don't take the blame for the ultimate cause of your loss, what does it say about how they think of you and teammates? If there was a team out there that treated its members better, why do you stay? Do you feel obligated to stay to repay your leaders for taking you in? Have you not found another community to stay, or maybe your friends don't want to go? Possibly your former leaders will destroy you...your property or your reputation, if you decided to go?
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Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:38 am |
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Tomzta09
Team: Rank: Peon Main: Mow Level: 9760 Joined: Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:57 pm Posts: 4731 Location: Kuratovo, Russia
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Re: So the public is aware that Mow is a thief.
Master Sun wrote: Tomzta09 wrote: The best way to get through to someone is hurting those around them. The guilt of knowing that your own actions caused something big becomes a very heavy weight on that persons shoulders. In FDs case, he doesn't see them as friends, he sees them as followers, and doesn't want to lose them and be alone in the game again, fending for himself. Indeed. Flaming Demon was originally a snotty little prick whom he and his team lived on making other people miserable. Luckily, for the first portion of his game experience, he did this to people who did not or could not punish him for it. His first mistake was picking on lone players way out of his league. That caught the attention of the bigger teams and ended with his team reformed under a new name without "Flaming Demon" as director. His alt: Demon Pits of Hell was the new director. This went on for a while, with certain individual players BvBing his team wherever we could find their bases. Flaming Demon joined the war with Death Mental on the USA side, and somehow, managed to get his entire team onto Pantalones. XCeltic and Brindle mentioned he found an officer on pants that wasn't clued into what was with FD's team, and got him to invite the lot of them to Pants. Flaming Demon scammed an account off of the player Lajeah, which got him ejected from the USA and perma Kos'd by almost every team in game. He got a name change, becoming ShadowBlade and alts ThunderStrike and LightningBolt, and joined The Forgotten Colonies. His previous team followed suit in various forms. A big stink from Pancakes confirmed that ShadowBlade is Flaming Demon, as both accounts used the same email address, ShadowBlade and his alts appeared the second Flaming Demon and his alts disappeared, and the James account (he made his account with his real name) changed characters on the forum to avoid showing the name changed characters, which would show up if Flaming Demon changed their names. While on TFC myself, Russell did voice concerns with me that ShadowBlade treated his teammates more like followers, for his benefit, rather than teammates. ShadowBlade was the one who demanded we help him build his Prawn, but refused to help people build their Prawns. His setup was to be 2Emp/2Dwatt. He treated me like shit for refusing to fork over my Wattage aug for "the greater good of the the team". Anyone else who was "beneath" him or refused to give everything to him was burned out. MAGAZORB (Jasonr) was subject to a rumor that he was a Pancakes spy, something that Russell was adamantly against and overruled by ShadowBlade, playing on the paranoia aspects of TFC. Of course Magazorb would join Pancakes after turning almost the entire team against him, for they treated him as family instead of enemy. The whole TUC and TFC thing was a power struggle between Russell and ShadowBlade, who desperately needed to command a team in SS. You see, if ShadowBlade was ever identified as Flaming Demon before he could lead a team, the reputation that followed the name was cause most of his teammates to seek another place. Flaming Demon would be alone with a perma kos on his head, again. Well, now he leads a team. He happened to choose a team where the majority of its members have no where else to go, and thus feel obliged to follow him, which works out well for his end. All of this is 100% spot on.
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Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:32 am |
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Master Sun
Main: Sun Tzu Level: 1
Joined: Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:10 am Posts: 705
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Re: So the public is aware that Mow is a thief.
kval wrote: our entire team suffered for loathing directed at one or two people Also would like to clarify that 99% of all loathing directed at TFC/TUC is not directed at TFC/TUC as a whole, but at the newer leaders. Everyone else are great people and typically have nothing that anyone would loathe. Flaming Demon / ShadowBlade is hated for what I said. He's an asshole, an account scammer, and went out of his way to try and make people miserable. He treats people as followers, not as teammates. He's out to use you for his own gain, and if you try to resist, he will make you an outcast and turn all your teammates against you. Liquid Death is hated because he was and probably still is, a fanatical warmongering barbarian. His train of thought put his team, that is, TFC and TUC, ahead of everyone in every way. He went out of his way to make that a known fact, and treated everyone not from TFC/TUC as dirt (which bothered Russell). He self stylized himself as "TFC's Minister of Defense", which is his version of a 5 star general and flaunted it as another way to say he was better than you. Leon / MetalGear (not on TUC atm, probably because of RL constraints) was hated for being unusually fanatical. He was an officer, and his thought process was similar to LD's. TFC/TUC was supreme above all others and any atrocities (account scamming, abusing bugs, and doing things that would upset the FBI) that might be committed by TFC/TUC members was completely fine. But anyone else who did such things were agents of Satan. Light Commerce was automatically considered worse than Adolf Hitler. Zerko...I don't care what he has done or has not done, but all the information I got after the whole Reddit incident was bad. Bad as in nothing particularly good was said about him.
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Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:51 am |
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Tomzta09
Team: Rank: Peon Main: Mow Level: 9760 Joined: Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:57 pm Posts: 4731 Location: Kuratovo, Russia
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Re: So the public is aware that Mow is a thief.
Zerko's entire attitude towards everyone outside of TUC changed when he joined them. He used to be a nice guy like his friend Vindicator but now he is a giant prick.
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Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:03 am |
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lordjeroen
Team: Rank: Officer Main: number666.5 Level: 8923 Joined: Wed May 03, 2006 4:12 pm Posts: 3457 Location: nowhere
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Re: So the public is aware that Mow is a thief.
Master Sun wrote: Liquid Death is hated because he was and probably still is, a fanatical warmongering barbarian. His train of thought put his team, that is, TFC and TUC, ahead of everyone in every way. He went out of his way to make that a known fact, and treated everyone not from TFC/TUC as dirt (which bothered Russell). He self stylized himself as "TFC's Minister of Defense", which is his version of a 5 star general and flaunted it as another way to say he was better than you.
^LD from half a year ago i should have made some screenies of the last 2 weeks, nothing changed
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Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:06 am |
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sabre198
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Team: Rank: Officer Main: topbuzzz Level: 8015 Joined: Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:31 pm Posts: 4347
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Re: So the public is aware that Mow is a thief.
yeh but I heard Guardian of Lyceum is now a changed man!
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Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:30 am |
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Septagon
Main: Septagons Titan Level: 2312
Joined: Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:37 pm Posts: 653 Location: Floof
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Re: So the public is aware that Mow is a thief.
Master Sun wrote: Tomzta09 wrote: The best way to get through to someone is hurting those around them. The guilt of knowing that your own actions caused something big becomes a very heavy weight on that persons shoulders. In FDs case, he doesn't see them as friends, he sees them as followers, and doesn't want to lose them and be alone in the game again, fending for himself. Indeed. Flaming Demon was originally a snotty little prick whom he and his team lived on making other people miserable. Luckily, for the first portion of his game experience, he did this to people who did not or could not punish him for it. His first mistake was picking on lone players way out of his league. That caught the attention of the bigger teams and ended with his team reformed under a new name without "Flaming Demon" as director. His alt: Demon Pits of Hell was the new director. This went on for a while, with certain individual players BvBing his team wherever we could find their bases. Flaming Demon joined the war with Death Mental on the USA side, and somehow, managed to get his entire team onto Pantalones. XCeltic and Brindle mentioned he found an officer on pants that wasn't clued into what was with FD's team, and got him to invite the lot of them to Pants. Flaming Demon scammed an account off of the player Lajeah, which got him ejected from the USA and perma Kos'd by almost every team in game. He got a name change, becoming ShadowBlade and alts ThunderStrike and LightningBolt, and joined The Forgotten Colonies. His previous team followed suit in various forms. A big stink from Pancakes confirmed that ShadowBlade is Flaming Demon, as both accounts used the same email address, ShadowBlade and his alts appeared the second Flaming Demon and his alts disappeared, and the James account (he made his account with his real name) changed characters on the forum to avoid showing the name changed characters, which would show up if Flaming Demon changed their names. While on TFC myself, Russell did voice concerns with me that ShadowBlade treated his teammates more like followers, for his benefit, rather than teammates. ShadowBlade was the one who demanded we help him build his Prawn, but refused to help people build their Prawns. His setup was to be 2Emp/2Dwatt. He treated me like shit for refusing to fork over my Wattage aug for "the greater good of the the team". Anyone else who was "beneath" him or refused to give everything to him was burned out. MAGAZORB (Jasonr) was subject to a rumor that he was a Pancakes spy, something that Russell was adamantly against and overruled by ShadowBlade, playing on the paranoia aspects of TFC. Of course Magazorb would join Pancakes after turning almost the entire team against him, for they treated him as family instead of enemy. The whole TUC and TFC thing was a power struggle between Russell and ShadowBlade, who desperately needed to command a team in SS. You see, if ShadowBlade was ever identified as Flaming Demon before he could lead a team, the reputation that followed the name was cause most of his teammates to seek another place. Flaming Demon would be alone with a perma kos on his head, again. Well, now he leads a team. He happened to choose a team where the majority of its members have no where else to go, and thus feel obliged to follow him, which works out well for his end. Wow. This guy sounds like an absolute bottom tier shithead.
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Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:00 am |
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ripcurl111
Team: Rank: Main: HIV Droner Level: 3800 Joined: Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:54 am Posts: 1046 Location: Inside your computer
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Re: So the public is aware that Mow is a thief.
lordjeroen wrote: Master Sun wrote: Liquid Death is hated because he was and probably still is, a fanatical warmongering barbarian. His train of thought put his team, that is, TFC and TUC, ahead of everyone in every way. He went out of his way to make that a known fact, and treated everyone not from TFC/TUC as dirt (which bothered Russell). He self stylized himself as "TFC's Minister of Defense", which is his version of a 5 star general and flaunted it as another way to say he was better than you.
^LD from half a year ago i should have made some screenies of the last 2 weeks, nothing changed I am scared of LD's threats now. Plis halp, he keel mi.
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Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:17 am |
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lordjeroen
Team: Rank: Officer Main: number666.5 Level: 8923 Joined: Wed May 03, 2006 4:12 pm Posts: 3457 Location: nowhere
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Re: So the public is aware that Mow is a thief.
ripcurl111 wrote: lordjeroen wrote: Master Sun wrote: Liquid Death is hated because he was and probably still is, a fanatical warmongering barbarian. His train of thought put his team, that is, TFC and TUC, ahead of everyone in every way. He went out of his way to make that a known fact, and treated everyone not from TFC/TUC as dirt (which bothered Russell). He self stylized himself as "TFC's Minister of Defense", which is his version of a 5 star general and flaunted it as another way to say he was better than you.
^LD from half a year ago i should have made some screenies of the last 2 weeks, nothing changed I am scared of LD's threats now. Plis halp, he keel mi. dw, he cant kill you if i kill you first
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Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:20 am |
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kval
Team: Rank: Main: Kval Level: 2097 Joined: Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:47 am Posts: 73
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Re: So the public is aware that Mow is a thief.
It's not a side of TS / flaming demon or whatever you wanna call him that i've ever seen nor hope to see. From what i have seen he tries to resolve things peacefully if possible and every step he does take is for the team's success and the people in it.
He gets people geared free of charge, takes them on runs, teaches them what they want/need to know and sets a high moral standard when it comes to how to treat other players.
Is this the same man that you lie so ferverently about?
This loving director who treats every member of his team with love, respect and kindness.
I am sure he would gladly lay down his life for any of his team without a second thought.
I have seen him PWI in front of a hail of molten death just to protect a lowly peon who had JUST JOINED the team from repair costs.
You all SLANDER his repute. He is a lovely human being.
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4 pages of trashtalking TUC and im the only one to reply to try to defend... clearly my team is both aware and used to this kind of unwarranted abuse and hatred.... i guess i should follow suit and keep my mouth shut.
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Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:03 pm |
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lordjeroen
Team: Rank: Officer Main: number666.5 Level: 8923 Joined: Wed May 03, 2006 4:12 pm Posts: 3457 Location: nowhere
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Re: So the public is aware that Mow is a thief.
kval wrote: It's not a side of TS / flaming demon or whatever you wanna call him that i've ever seen nor hope to see. From what i have seen he tries to resolve things peacefully if possible and every step he does take is for the team's success and the people in it.
yes, just attacking other teams over an roamer, attacking an HQ of a stronger team and killing some random drones are indeed acts for peace Quote: Is this the same man that you lie so ferverently about? since when is "the other face" a lie?
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Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:37 pm |
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maniac45
Main: Maniac45 Level: 1470
Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 7:37 pm Posts: 7
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Re: So the public is aware that Mow is a thief.
kval wrote: It's not a side of TS / flaming demon or whatever you wanna call him that i've ever seen nor hope to see. From what i have seen he tries to resolve things peacefully if possible and every step he does take is for the team's success and the people in it.
He gets people geared free of charge, takes them on runs, teaches them what they want/need to know and sets a high moral standard when it comes to how to treat other players.
Is this the same man that you lie so ferverently about?
This loving director who treats every member of his team with love, respect and kindness.
I am sure he would gladly lay down his life for any of his team without a second thought.
I have seen him PWI in front of a hail of molten death just to protect a lowly peon who had JUST JOINED the team from repair costs.
You all SLANDER his repute. He is a lovely human being.
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4 pages of trashtalking TUC and im the only one to reply to try to defend... clearly my team is both aware and used to this kind of unwarranted abuse and hatred.... i guess i should follow suit and keep my mouth shut. ^^agreed. I honestly don't see any of the accusations myself from being in the team. You know it was always said. If you say it, prove it. SS!(screenshots) or lies. To be honest, many of you don't know me well nor do I know any of you. But what Kval talks about is the truth. He does help when its needed. He does not look for himself wealth wise. And he does give knowledge to those that need it. And Skills lvling, he will do his best to be their when its needed. So my question is aswell.. is this the right person your actually talking about. Or is it frustration that is coming out on a daily basis?
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Wed Nov 13, 2013 2:02 pm |
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