actually is BIDMAS ,
B = Brackets
I = Indices(powers)
D = Divid
M = Multiplication
A = Addition
S = Subtraction
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| Author: | Kyrle [ Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:34 am ] |
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Thummmper wrote: *******************_THIS_LINE_IS_JUST_TO_WIDEN_THE_SCREEN_************************* ARG! Back to basics. Had to work this from the results. All corrections are welcome. EDIT: I omitted Skill modifiers... as I have none and didn't think about them when coming up with this. Also made several corrections. S = Base Speed VA = Aug modified by AT & IT FSA = Semi final Speed modified by just the Augs SM = Speed modified by modded gear FSM = total of all gear mods FS = end results VA1 = 1+(A1*(1+AT*0.04+IT*0.02)) VA2 = 1+(A2*(1+AT*0.04+IT*0.02)) VA3 = 1+(A3*(1+AT*0.04+IT*0.02)) VA4 = 1+(A4*(1+AT*0.04+IT*0.02)) VA5 = 1+(A5*(1+AT*0.04+IT*0.02)) VA6 = 1+(A6*(1+AT*0.04+IT*0.02)) FSA = S*VA1*VA2*VA3*VA4*VA5*VA6 SM1 = 1+M1 SM2 = 1+M2 SM3 = 1+M3 ... FSM = SM1 * SM2 * SM3 * ... FS = FSA * FSM For a 6 Heph Thatch with no modded gear equipped: S = 39 Heph Speed: -15% AT = 25, IT = 3 VA1 = 1+(A1*(1+AT+IT)) = 1+(-0.15*(1+25*0.04+3*0.02)) = 1-0.15*2.06 = 1-0.309 = 0.691 VA2 = 1+(A2*(1+AT+IT)) = 1+(-0.15*(1+25*0.04+3*0.02)) = 1-0.15*2.06 = 1-0.309 = 0.691 VA3 = 1+(A3*(1+AT+IT)) = 1+(-0.15*(1+25*0.04+3*0.02)) = 1-0.15*2.06 = 1-0.309 = 0.691 VA4 = 1+(A4*(1+AT+IT)) = 1+(-0.15*(1+25*0.04+3*0.02)) = 1-0.15*2.06 = 1-0.309 = 0.691 VA5 = 1+(A5*(1+AT+IT)) = 1+(-0.15*(1+25*0.04+3*0.02)) = 1-0.15*2.06 = 1-0.309 = 0.691 VA6 = 1+(A6*(1+AT+IT)) = 1+(-0.15*(1+25*0.04+3*0.02)) = 1-0.15*2.06 = 1-0.309 = 0.691 FSA = S* VA1* VA2*VA3*VA4*VA5*VA6 = 39*0.691*0.691*0.691*0.691*0.691*0.691 = 4.246 SM1 = 1+M1 = 1 SM2 = 1+M2 = 1 SM3 = 1+M3 = 1 FSM = SM1 * SM2 * SM3 * ... = 1*1*1*... = 1 FS = FSA * FSM = 4.246 * 1 = 4.246 rounded to 4 For a 6 Heph Thatch with no modded gear equipped: S = 39 Heph Speed: -15% AT = 23, IT = 3 VA1 = 1+(A1*(1+AT+IT)) = 1+(-0.15*(1+23*0.04+3*0.02)) = 1-0.15*1.98 = 1-0.297 = 0.703 VA2 = 1+(A2*(1+AT+IT)) = 1+(-0.15*(1+23*0.04+3*0.02)) = 1-0.15*1.98 = 1-0.297 = 0.703 VA3 = 1+(A3*(1+AT+IT)) = 1+(-0.15*(1+23*0.04+3*0.02)) = 1-0.15*1.98 = 1-0.297 = 0.703 VA4 = 1+(A4*(1+AT+IT)) = 1+(-0.15*(1+23*0.04+3*0.02)) = 1-0.15*1.98 = 1-0.297 = 0.703 VA5 = 1+(A5*(1+AT+IT)) = 1+(-0.15*(1+23*0.04+3*0.02)) = 1-0.15*1.98 = 1-0.297 = 0.703 VA6 = 1+(A6*(1+AT+IT)) = 1+(-0.15*(1+23*0.04+3*0.02)) = 1-0.15*1.98 = 1-0.297 = 0.703 FSA = S* VA1* VA2*VA3*VA4*VA5*VA6 = 39*0.703*0.703*0.703*0.703*0.703*0.703 = 4.7 SM1 = 1+M1 = 1 SM2 = 1+M2 = 1 SM3 = 1+M3 = 1 FSM = SM1 * SM2 * SM3 * ... = 1*1*1*... = 1 FS = FSA * FSM = 4.7 * 1 = 4.7 rounded to 5 I have AT 23 & IT 3 and my 6 Heph Thatch, with no modded gear equipped, shows a speed of 5. This is far too complex for most people to want to use. Also, most of the time, it will give you an incorrect answer, since aug tweaking is figured AFTER all augs are figured, not on each individual aug. I have figured out why my formulas dont work for the 6 heph thatch setup, but I havnt been able to figure out how to fix it in a way to show everyone. The reason it doesnt work, is the same reason this formula wont work for visibility. Aug tweaking adds (or removes) to the stat an ammount equal to a fraction of the effect of the augs. Since in some cases it is possible to get a negative number with my formulas, any combination of augs that may end up lowering a stat may give you an incorrect answer. As soon as I figure out why/how this is happening, I will modify my formulas to correct the problem. |
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| Author: | Tarik [ Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:18 am ] |
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Talk to Biz about updating the working algorythms to the Ship Builder in pants site please. |
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| Author: | pollyester [ Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:33 am ] |
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actually is BIDMAS , B = Brackets I = Indices(powers) D = Divid M = Multiplication A = Addition S = Subtraction
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| Author: | Thummmper [ Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:28 am ] |
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I worked it again and the following is the only thing that makes any sense: AT = 25, IT = 3, S = 39, A = -15% VA = 1 + A * (1 + AT + IT) = 1 + -0.15 * (1 + 25 * 0.04 + 3 * 0.02) = 1 + -0.15 * 2.06 = 0.691 FS = 39 * VA ^ 6 = 39 * 0.10886 = 4.246 CORRECT AT = 23, IT = 3, S = 39, A = -15% VA = 1 + A * (1 + AT + IT) = 1 + -0.15 * (1 + 23 * 0.04 + 3 * 0.02) = 1 + -0.15 * 1.98 = 0.703 FS = 39 * VA ^ 6 = 39 * 0.1207 = 4.7 CORRECT Current 6 Heph Thatch shows Speed = 5 AT = 23, IT = 3, S = 39, A = -12% Previous Heph was -12% VA = 1 + A * (1 + AT + IT) = 1 + -0.12 * (1 + 23 * 0.04 + 3 * 0.02) = 1 + -0.12 * 1.98 = 0.7624 FS = 39 * VA ^ 6 = 39 * 0.19638 = 7.66 CORRECT Previous 6 Heph Thatch showed Speed = 8 |
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| Author: | pearsoa [ Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:21 pm ] |
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OK I may get pwned Rattie Moe, but i can work a spreadsheet... I think my Calculations are correct, but test them please, I welcome any feedback. Most of the hard work was done by Thummmper but I am not sure our algorithms are the same. I don't have uber skills so I am sure there are features missing just because i don't know about them... I threw in the other skills on the off chance they would work too... Check it out, I may post this on the Misc board to get some more testing... Enjoy. http://hosted.filefront.com/pearsoa/ |
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| Author: | SirNarf [ Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:26 pm ] |
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pollyester wrote: actually is BIDMAS , B = Brackets I = Indices(powers) D = Divid M = Multiplication A = Addition S = Subtraction Bedmas! Brackets Exponents Division Multi Add Sub I r learned gooder by my lazy teechurz! |
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| Author: | Thummmper [ Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:50 pm ] |
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pearsoa wrote: Two things: 1. You should have used -15% instead of -12% for the Hephs to reflect their current value. 2. You and I both are missing the computations for Skills such as Speed Demon and Berserker. If a SD would chime in with their Levels and 6 Heph Thatch's speed I'm sure we can work it in. |
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| Author: | pearsoa [ Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:20 pm ] |
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I probably should have included some idea of what the spreadsheet does. you can change ANY of the white text and it will re-calculate the stats. Change the %s of your Augs, the ship speed, the AT numbers ETc. It will automatically calculate your complete stats. The default of the page was just me saving the spreadsheet while I was in testing mode. If you give me the affect of the various skills (beserker ETc.) I will work that into the calculation. At some point I could also scrape the wiki for various ship and AUG stats and create dropdowns, but at that point we may as well ask the SS development team to do this for us as they already have all the stats and algorithms in the right format. |
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| Author: | LichG [ Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:25 pm ] |
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Thats pretty amazing, also the admins wont give us any stats or alogarithms beacuse they believe half of the fun is discovering them ourselves. |
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| Author: | Trouser23 [ Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:48 pm ] |
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i think im going to write a visual basic program to do this, that is if ones in first post are right. if they are i will start |
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| Author: | pearsoa [ Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:03 pm ] |
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LichG wrote: Thats pretty amazing, also the admins wont give us any stats or alogarithms beacuse they believe half of the fun is discovering them ourselves. Yeah that makes sense, i kind of agree. again, check out the spreadsheet see if it works with your stats. The more UAT the better. Churlish. |
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| Author: | keyboard [ Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:33 pm ] |
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SirNarf wrote: pollyester wrote: actually is BIDMAS , B = Brackets I = Indices(powers) D = Divid M = Multiplication A = Addition S = Subtraction Bedmas! Brackets Exponents Division Multi Add Sub I r learned gooder by my lazy teechurz! Please excuse my dear aunt sally Parentheses Exponents Multiplication Division Addition Subraction |
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| Author: | SimonV2 [ Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:24 pm ] |
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>.< Physics Major is amused by your attempts at maths. XD |
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| Author: | keyboard [ Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:53 pm ] |
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Physics minor is crying at your attempts at math:P |
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| Author: | erman [ Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:40 pm ] |
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keyboard wrote: Physics minor is crying at your attempts at math:P a college accepted you? |
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