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Augmenter Bonus Calculation
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Author:  Doomstar [ Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Augmenter Bonus Calculation
I am compuzzled, please show me how a 0% resist can increase with a 25% resist to damage aug
Author:  anilv [ Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Augmenter Bonus Calculation
There's nothing to show other than what I wrote in the first post. Resistance augmenters don't multiply against your hull's resistance.
Author:  Event Horizon [ Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Augmenter Bonus Calculation
Wow, how come I never found this before?!

For some reason, I can't read math as text at all. The way it's formatted in textbooks and stuff really help. Would it be possible for you to use a program to create equations? Word 2010 can do it, I know.
Author:  anilv [ Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Augmenter Bonus Calculation
Yes I am able to do that. I'll get around to it at some point if there is enough demand.
Author:  anilv [ Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Augmenter Bonus Calculation
Well I started typesetting some math and then realized that it will take me

1) about 15 minutes of typing to get it all set
2) about 20 minutes of monkeying with screenshots and uploading files to get it all presented on the forum post

That's a bit too much effort for me to do pro bono. If you are having trouble reading the math on this post (which is perfectly understandable) you should copy out the relevant equations onto paper where you can work with them more easily. Or you can track me down in game and I'll point you in the right direction. Or you can pay me 35 bil and I'll do the typesetting.
Author:  lonedragon09 [ Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Augmenter Bonus Calculation
My question here is why is it that when you have 2 augmenters that add the same +% effect the effect gets reduced.
For example:

Augmenter 1
+50% shields
+50% Rate of fire

Augmenter 2
+20% shields
+20% shield recharge

If you used both of these you would not have +70% shields. I came to notice this when i equiped 3 rhino augs on my astro and did not get the +351%(117%*3) shield bonus that i should have.
Author:  anilv [ Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Augmenter Bonus Calculation
In the example you gave you would indeed get a +70% increase to your shield bank.
Author:  Event Horizon [ Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Augmenter Bonus Calculation
lonedragon09 wrote:
My question here is why is it that when you have 2 augmenters that add the same +% effect the effect gets reduced.
For example:

Augmenter 1
+50% shields
+50% Rate of fire

Augmenter 2
+20% shields
+20% shield recharge

If you used both of these you would not have +70% shields. I came to notice this when i equiped 3 rhino augs on my astro and did not get the +351%(117%*3) shield bonus that i should have.

Nevermind I'm dumb.
Author:  lonedragon09 [ Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Augmenter Bonus Calculation
So two different augs will stack but two+ of the same augmenter wont? if so where is the reduction and why is it there?
Author:  anilv [ Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Augmenter Bonus Calculation
lonedragon09 wrote:
So two different augs will stack but two+ of the same augmenter wont? if so where is the reduction and why is it there?


Post complete stats of your setup and I'll tell you where you are going wrong.
Author:  lonedragon09 [ Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Augmenter Bonus Calculation
aug tweaking 4%*level - 0.04 * 23 = 0.92
Augmenter (Rhino) - 1.17 * 3 = 3.51
Aug tweaking+augmenter(Rhino) - 3.51 + 0.92 = 4.43

Augenter bonus (4.43) * current shield 23000
23000 * 4.43 = 101890 (So the augs give +101890 shields)

23000 + 101890 = 124890
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Zombie bunny stop x1 (Shield)
Aspect of the rhino x3 (Augmenter)
Augmenter Tweaking level 23
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Please correct my math if its wrong XD
Author:  anilv [ Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Augmenter Bonus Calculation
23,000 x (1 + 1.92 * 3 * 1.17) = 178,001.6

You are doing it very very wrong.
Author:  lonedragon09 [ Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Augmenter Bonus Calculation
anilv wrote:
23,000 x (1 + 1.92 * 3 * 1.17) = 178,001.6

You are doing it very very wrong.


Ok so is 178,001.6 the total shields or what is added?

Also what the the 1 + represent?
Author:  Event Horizon [ Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Augmenter Bonus Calculation
lonedragon09 wrote:
anilv wrote:
23,000 x (1 + 1.92 * 3 * 1.17) = 178,001.6

You are doing it very very wrong.


Ok so is 178,001.6 the total shields or what is added?

Also what the the 1 + represent?


1 + 1.92 is a typo.

It should be 1 + 0.92.
I got 235731.6 with enk's equation above and 155001.6 with the fixed typo. +23,000 onto that and you get what enk got.

you get a 92% bonus to augs with AT23, so you need to multiply the aug stats by 1.92 to get the original aug stats (1) plus the extra 92% (+ 0.92)
Author:  anilv [ Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Augmenter Bonus Calculation
No it's not a typo. The aug itself gives +117% shields. With AT 23 that becomes 1.92 x 117% = 2.2464. What I wrote is correct and the figure of 178k is the total resulting shield bank.

You guys need to stop doing math the hard way. When you are adding 92% to a number, just multiply the number by 1 + 0.92. Don't multiply by 0.92 and then add the original number. That gets the same answer but it's a whole extra step (and therefore an extra step that you can fuck up).
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