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Post Re: Ship Limit Revamp + increase in number of ship slots
Take Vanilla WoW, BC, WotLK, and Cataclysm for instance. Blizzard put millions upon millions into their development, and yet now they are completely and in arguably useless in character progression because Blizzard hasn't yet realized that by BoAing or BoEing all obsolete raid gear they would actually create more demand for now useless content, expand their in game economy, and do away with having to implement and balance eighty new pieces of heirloom leveling gear every time they release a major patch.

Not sure about Jeff, but I would love to beat a large game to that sort of functionality in alt character development.


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If those goes in, would it not be a good idea to give FCs a class skill that increases ship slots? We do use the most ships of any class, you know.

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Post Re: Ship Limit Revamp + increase in number of ship slots
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2) Increase the starting number of ship slots to 50.


The current balance between colony maturing and the ship slot limit for storing peasants is a fine line that should not be moved without considering the unbalance it will bring. I vote down option number 2.

What I do suggest, is the following:

The Deactivation Hangar

- All ships in your possessions tab can be put into The Deactivation Hangar as long as they have no gear on them (apart from inbuilt gear). You can at any time move any ship into the hangar, but you can only move a ship out if you have free slots. This way you can through the possessions tab (or whatever other code it might require) move a captured ship, or a ship that you don't use, into the hangar, and free up your ship slots.

If coded so that no ship can be moved in with items on them (such as peasants) you will prevent people from abusing this as a storage. A second possibility would be to only allow ships with having all items onboard equipped to be allowed into the hangar. This would work because you can not equip commodities, nor base gear to a normal ship.


When a player attempts to buy a ship, and gets the error message that he is out of slots, a window with information on The Deactivation Hangar would pop up, and give the player information on how to solve the issue.


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Just going to throw this out there, having more ship slots will not allow me to store more peasants. I already have several alts dedicated to this, would not effect me at all. Any real colony person does this as well.

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Post Re: Ship Limit Revamp + increase in number of ship slots
trevor54 wrote:
Just going to throw this out there, having more ship slots will not allow me to store more peasants. I already have several alts dedicated to this, would not effect me at all. Any real colony person does this as well.


But you'd be getting more ship slots on those alts as well, would you not?

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Post Re: Ship Limit Revamp + increase in number of ship slots
Couldn't someone theoretically level a f2p alt, all 5 of them engineers, to use Thatches to store their peasants? 20 thatches per alt (let's save 5 slots for whatever combat setup the alt had) and let's say 800k hull per thatch (don't have an engi class maxxed with a thatch augged 5 heph yet, so this could be inaccurate). That's 16 mil per alt x5 = 80mil in peasants. Now Idk how many peasants people store normally on SSpheres and stuff but that seems like a lot of peasants to me.

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Post Re: Ship Limit Revamp + increase in number of ship slots
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Couldn't someone theoretically level a f2p alt, all 5 of them engineers, to use Thatches to store their peasants? 20 thatches per alt (let's save 5 slots for whatever combat setup the alt had) and let's say 800k hull per thatch (don't have an engi class maxxed with a thatch augged 5 heph yet, so this could be inaccurate). That's 16 mil per alt x5 = 80mil in peasants. Now Idk how many peasants people store normally on SSpheres and stuff but that seems like a lot of peasants to me.

That sounds a lot like abuse of F2p accounts, which is against the rules unless I'm an old fogey.

also, 1m per thatch at least, with engi maxed, 5heph, and Aug tweaking.

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Post Re: Ship Limit Revamp + increase in number of ship slots
anilv wrote:
trevor54 wrote:
Just going to throw this out there, having more ship slots will not allow me to store more peasants. I already have several alts dedicated to this, would not effect me at all. Any real colony person does this as well.


But you'd be getting more ship slots on those alts as well, would you not?


Not really, STD cap augs are too expensive for me to care anymore. I store over 200 million peasants as it is, I hate it too.

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Post Re: Ship Limit Revamp + increase in number of ship slots
That's like, 70 odd Singularity Spheres?
All Camsy wanted to do was store a few more trophy ships on his account, because anyone who truly want more slave slots or Sphere slots opens more accounts to do that, while also bringing in more base slots to make use of the ship slots.

I think the best solution is a way to freeze your ship and whatever gear (like augs) are on the ship. You have to have a "free" ship slot open to unfreeze your stored ships, but you essentially have unlimited frozen slots. The frozen items and ships become data, which should be fairly easy to handle since the server wouldn't even keep track of them except for the fact they exist.



Something else to consider:
Many people who want more ship slots use highly inefficient slaves (combat swarms and trade fleets) without a clear idea that this may be a horrible thing to do. I think a series of tool tips promoting the use of higher tech slaves would be good.


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Post Re: Ship Limit Revamp + increase in number of ship slots
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One problem that has been persistent throughout Star Sonata has been the problem of running out of ship slots. This is most painfully encountered when a player has exceeded his ship limit by capturing wild ships and docking them, then flies to a different base and sells his current ship expecting to buy a replacement, only to be greeted with the error that he has too many ships and can't buy more.

Many players have requested a larger ship limit, but no matter how much we increase the limit, people can still run into this problem because of the way that only some ships get counted at certain times against the limit.

This proposal is threefold:

1) Address the inconsistency of ship counts, by counting all the ships that are in any way owned by the player, including active ship, stasised ships, trade slaves, and docked ships. In order to capture a wild slave, you will have to have an available slot. This will address a lot of the problems revolving ship limit, but it will effectively lower how many ships a person can have compared to now, except for part 2:

2) Increase the starting number of ship slots to 50.

3) Allow the purchase of even more ship slots with Space Points, so that if a player really needs more than 50, he can buy as many as he needs.



Everything except proposal 1, dooo ettt plz!

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Post Re: Ship Limit Revamp + increase in number of ship slots
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All right, then at least for T18 and lower it should be fine.


I would say anything t20 and below, personally. With t21 gear in the game everything below that levels exists, in the end, for the sole purpose of progressing a character to endgame. They would also get to say they beat Blizzard to the punch in what would be possibly one of the most useful features that no game has. Which is to automatically phase the current endgame into universally accessible leveling gear once new content takes its place.


this, but about the colonyists storing peasants for a next uni it really isnt difficult to create a few support clas characters on those you arent using and fill with singys/thatchs to get all the peasant storage you could possibly need

i could see this working it was just increased to 50 with perhaps t20+ship slots limited to 25 and total to 50 if peopleare really worried about col whores


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Post Re: Ship Limit Revamp + increase in number of ship slots
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Dark Brotherhood wrote:
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2) Increase the starting number of ship slots to 50.


The current balance between colony maturing and the ship slot limit for storing peasants is a fine line that should not be moved without considering the unbalance it will bring. I vote down option number 2.

What I do suggest, is the following:

The Deactivation Hangar

- All ships in your possessions tab can be put into The Deactivation Hangar as long as they have no gear on them (apart from inbuilt gear). You can at any time move any ship into the hangar, but you can only move a ship out if you have free slots. This way you can through the possessions tab (or whatever other code it might require) move a captured ship, or a ship that you don't use, into the hangar, and free up your ship slots.

If coded so that no ship can be moved in with items on them (such as peasants) you will prevent people from abusing this as a storage. A second possibility would be to only allow ships with having all items onboard equipped to be allowed into the hangar. This would work because you can not equip commodities, nor base gear to a normal ship.


When a player attempts to buy a ship, and gets the error message that he is out of slots, a window with information on The Deactivation Hangar would pop up, and give the player information on how to solve the issue.


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Best solution I've read sofar. /signed

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Post Re: Ship Limit Revamp + increase in number of ship slots
create a new skill :
max level 5, have 5 more docked ships per level

cost : 500 mil per level
or make a mission for it


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Plz More ship slots :)

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