If you didn't catch it, Spatzz and Scyron are trolling someone who really thing a space game should be based on RL terminology, which would put Exodus out of a job as he'll be a visible, fragile, low damage class that can see the future, making his usefulness in combat as useful as Merchant Fleet class of the old class skills.

If you didn't catch it, Spatzz and Scyron are trolling someone who really thing a space game should be based on RL terminology, which would put Exodus out of a job as he'll be a visible, fragile, low damage class that can see the future, making his usefulness in combat as useful as Merchant Fleet class of the old class skills.

I always liked the idea of gunners having turrets, which could be a nice visual alternative to auto-target. I feel that for the proposed gunner changes/turrets you should probably nerf missiles and then introduce some kind of 'missile ops' stat, allowing players to chose between being either focusing on one or becoming a hybrid.

Irrational to you maybe. I think he motivates it quite well.

I think most people agree that prawn snipers can dish out insane amounts of DPS, in a way that no other class even comes close. Therefore, more people agree with nerfing prawn snipers. Currently, it's just way out of scale. Agreed.

As for sniper analysis in general - it's made sniper the cheapest and easiest solo class in the game. With a minimal investment, you can solo various bosses that 500b setups of other classes can't solo. What's your rational counter-argument to this "irrational" motivation? A Developer said once one reason why snipers can easily kill most bosses is because most bosses can't fight Snipers. Increasing the time it takes to charge Sniper analysis would be better than changing how one is supposed to charge it.

Is it that sniper is the only properly designed class, and all other classes should solo just as much content, with just as much effort? If so, then it's a matter of opinion, and personally I think that'd be a bad idea. I say balance content by minimizing the peaks - nerf sniper and beef other classes solo abilities, rather than bring everything up to highest possible level. And let named bosses remain hard, and not push-overs. Sniper doesn't exactly need a Nerf though thats the thing. Other classes do need beefing, especially Berserker.

Edit: Instead of making everything soloable by everyone, I think they should encourage squading and teamwork by a) keeping content hard to solo, /signed, although there will always be ways to solo content, but they get beefed, like Olympus. b) make all classes able to contribute to squads (like in many of the suggestions in this thread), Seer and SD. and c) make it easier to form squads and find people to squad with. Like in this suggestion.

I just dislike unbalanced things. Yeah, Prawn Sniper seems a bit stronger. You what what no one complains about? Prawn on any other class. Because it is not as powerful on other classes as it is on a Sniper. Juju Sniper is also pretty wicked strong, guess what I have never seen a complaint about? Because you cannot make a Juju Sniper as powerful as a Prawn sniper, and even if you did find a way, it has a super-weakness. Prawns however, have that 4th aug slot, access to some bloody powerful augmenters and the Prawn's Claw. Other classes soloing tons of stuff easily in a Juju. Mostly because nobody gives a shit. I don't know why... I have heard a Zebu can be wicked strong but I also think an Engineer Zebu can solo Rattie Moe as well so I'll let that one lie. Really? Damn I didn't know that.

If we are going to take pot shots at irrational behavior then maybe you should consider your intense bias for the class you mainly play? I am not biased, I just find the current "Rebalance" proposals nothing more than a load of crap that Jeff_L has said without properly looking at how classes are played. This has happened before, like when Sniper was nerfed to the point where it was completely useless, and only 3 people played it. We kept saying it was awful, but they insisted it was fine, but then they played it and actually learned something. As I have said countless times, __, Cyg's Sniper who he lets me use, allows me to solo everything in the game (besides RNF) with my 4 man squad. Soloing with a 4 man squad? That makes perfect sense. Soloing is one character, not a squad. Cygs Sniper is a PRAWN? Of course you can do that for goodness sake. Soon as Sniper is nerfed like this things will either be harder/take longer or I'll just need to invite more people to come along. Or just try to use a ship that is not a Prawn? Any kind of change would be better than the one Jeff_L has proposed is what I am trying to say. Either way I am arguing to nerf my ability to do everything, maybe I am just stupid (or actually like game balalance ) As I said, if you want a bit more of a Challenge, do not use a Sniper Prawn, use something else.

The only thing you use to argue balancing sniper is that Prawn is strong. You still ignore what non Prawn Snipers can do which is the main reason why Analysis is being lowered. As I said, which you ignored, was that Sniper in almost any quality t18+ ship is able to solo content no other class can even at end game, that is not an opinion, that is a fact. Where did I deny that statement? I only said it wasn't insanely broken like you are insisting, and that AIs just didn't know how to deal with a Sniper. I did not say it wasn't a fact. If you have a solid argument that proves that statement wrong then toss it out.

Your other arguments are that all other classes need to be beefed up to Sniper's level or all content needs to be redone so it can fight Sniper. Maybe instead of these two massive changes to the game we can instead change one small thing? There is an obvious issue with how Sniper works in PvAI which is proven by the amount of content even low end Snipers can solo and how many bosses have had to be hot fixed in order to prevent this (which it still does not in most cases). Mauso, KKK, Emp, those are 3 perfect examples. I have yet to run into the uber that needed to have a patch shoved through because people with 3+ different level 1.2k Engineers in Pax Astros were soloing it 3 times per lockout.

It is obvious you profit amazing amounts from Sniper's current power level which explains your desire to keep things the way they are. Actually I don't, I have not done anything content wise in a long time, because none of it is fun, nor do I get anything out of it. I want things to be kept the way they are because everything that was mentioned in the rebalance is not needed. It just seems that every time some kind of new zone is added in, something is added in beforehand which affects the entire playerbase. The issue with that is the game suffers when such ridiculously unbalanced content is allowed to sit. And shocker, Prawn works best on Sniper? It does. What ship does NOT work best on Sniper? I merely suggested you try doing content with your "amazing" 4 man squad with a Sniper that isn't in a Prawn, it might make things more fun and interesting for you.