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Main: Obesity
Level: 2249 Joined: Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:33 am Posts: 2127 |
Lets see:
LC / Prog C Damage: 119x2 / 63x2 Size: 78 / 64 Range: 310 / 260 Recoil: 1.2 / 1.2 Energy: 486 / 257 Weight: 78k / 64k DPS: 198.33 / 105.00 DPE: 0.49 / 0.49 Tech: 18 / 18 Requires: Nothing / Seer class 18, gives forced thrust+turning for 0.1 second Obtained: Drop from rosies / Built from 2 LCs and some cash and a few commods Am i the only one who can see that it needs a beef? Suggested stats: Damage: 250x2 Size: 55 Range: 250 Recoil: 2 secs Energy use: 350 Weight: 70k DPS: 250 DPE: 0.7 Tech: 18 Damage type: Surgical Type: ETHEREAL PULSE WEAPON Still BP built, maybe add some higher costs, anything to make it useful! _________________ JeffL wrote: I stopped being able to totally understand that function years ago. Too long since I wrote it, and now it's all confusing. =) The Voomy One wrote: You gotta be shitting me >_< Last edited by VatFF on Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:28 am, edited 1 time in total. |
Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:13 pm |
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Rank: Peon Main: MathNerd Level: 3282 Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:27 pm Posts: 1030 |
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Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:37 pm |
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Rank: Main: Stabberz Level: 2414 Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:55 am Posts: 3696 |
All of Seer needs a beef.
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Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:38 pm |
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Rank: Main: L0L Level: 1061 Joined: Thu Sep 23, 2010 5:42 pm Posts: 1819 Location: Somewhere in your house. Winning. |
Griffin wrote: All of Seer needs a beef. And signed. _________________ newman233 wrote: Lolwut? wrote: Bad kanga. You need a spanking. Kinky? Lets not go there... I'm willing to go there blacker2359 wrote: First thought: L0L playing C2? HOLY SHIT IT CAME OUT?!? 10 second later: I'm gonna kill L0L. |
Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:15 pm |
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Main: k-2
Level: 2715 Joined: Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:48 am Posts: 5387 |
imo ProgC shouldn't be seer locked. and it needs a beef.
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Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:53 pm |
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Main: Spatzz
Level: 3104 Joined: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:40 am Posts: 3122 |
kilua wrote: imo ProgC shouldn't be seer locked. and it needs a beef. I always did want an upgraded mag type surgical weapon for DGing anf was quite dissapointed when I found PC was class locked. _________________ JeffL wrote: Come have sex with me in space, my lord |
Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:33 pm |
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over 9000!
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Rank: Councilor Main: Churchill Level: 5620 Joined: Sat Dec 09, 2006 10:36 pm Posts: 11706 |
Prog Cylinder: Change stats to make it a MD-like weapon thats surgical damage. Side effect is that it has a long term Grem effect.
Compared to an actual MD... Advantages: It is Surg Damage It Grems...hard It reduces enemy ROF Disadvantages: It does less raw damage It requires Seer20 and sm20 to obtain If needed, build costs can be increased or decreased to fit the balance sheet. _________________ Salt Assault drew this conclusion from the latest devblog. [img]http://oi62.tinypic.com/33208ex.jpg[/img] |
Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:50 pm |
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Main: k-2
Level: 2715 Joined: Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:48 am Posts: 5387 |
Battlecruiser23 wrote: Prog Cylinder: Change stats to make it a MD-like weapon thats surgical damage. Side effect is that it has a long term Grem effect. Compared to an actual MD... Advantages: It is Surg Damage It Grems...hard It reduces enemy ROF Disadvantages: It does less raw damage It requires Seer20 and sm20 to obtain i like that. If needed, build costs can be increased or decreased to fit the balance sheet. |
Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:34 am |
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Rank: Officer Main: Discharge Level: 2691 Joined: Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:28 am Posts: 1922 |
Absentis, auch!
I might put those things on some Berserker slaves then. |
Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:01 am |
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Main: Obesity
Level: 2249 Joined: Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:33 am Posts: 2127 |
Churchill, what you're suggesting is not what i want the prog cylinder to be, i think it should stay the way it is, a 2 bullet weapon like the LC, just improve the stats, dont make them worse then what the LC has.
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Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:37 am |
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over 9000!
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Rank: Councilor Main: Churchill Level: 5620 Joined: Sat Dec 09, 2006 10:36 pm Posts: 11706 |
The problem is that seer is not a traditional dps class. I'm not saying it can't be one, but the basic seer isn't not a dps platform.
The PCyl seems...well, it ain't for dps, it ain't for DPH, and the grem is found on the Gremcannon series. A Greminvoker will beat the living crap out of this weapon for gremming. I'd figure the Prog Cyl actually grem as well. But it's pretty much a glorified Hairsprayer. Actually, looking at it compared to a Hairsprayer...it IS a Hairsprayer, with doubled the grem time, 0.3s faster ROF, and surgical damage...all for doubling the size, lowering the range, and lowering the dpe. _________________ Salt Assault drew this conclusion from the latest devblog. [img]http://oi62.tinypic.com/33208ex.jpg[/img] |
Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:52 am |
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Rank: Main: Radia Level: 1100 Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:04 pm Posts: 6410 Location: q3dm17 |
I'm not sure why a built version of any weapon would ever do less DPS than the original. Make it have the same stats. Plus grem.
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Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:57 am |
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over 9000!
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Visorak wrote: I'm not sure why a built version of any weapon would ever do less DPS than the original. Make it have the same stats. Plus grem. Why it is the way it is, is because both the LC and the Prog Cylinder have the same power level on the balance sheet, and the grem takes a big chunk of points. Imo, no weapon built from a predecessor should ever have the same amount of power points as the thing it was built from. _________________ Salt Assault drew this conclusion from the latest devblog. [img]http://oi62.tinypic.com/33208ex.jpg[/img] |
Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:02 am |
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Rank: Officer Main: Dr Acula Level: 3710 Joined: Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:48 pm Posts: 314 |
All it needs is its damage raised, maybe to 150x2?
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Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:16 am |
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over 9000!
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Rank: Councilor Main: Churchill Level: 5620 Joined: Sat Dec 09, 2006 10:36 pm Posts: 11706 |
CookieMonsta wrote: All it needs is its damage raised, maybe to 150x2? Still not a good enough beef. I made a mistake before. The Hairsprayer has 5x the grem power as the ProgC. So, now the only two bonuses over a HS is the surg type and the oh so slight increase in ROF. Comparing the 'new' stats of the ProgC...to a PWA Gamma, and even if the Gamma is neurobound, the Gamma beats the living crap out of the ProgC. The Gamma...while is a beam...is smaller, lower tech, has 2x+ damage, better DPE, less weight, more range, is ethereal, cannot be lost if you happen to forget/lose all your GG16's, tracks better, and has a nifty -15% shield charge effect on the target. The advantages of the Prog is that it has far better ROF, and can grem for 0.1 second per bullet per hit. Is the grem really worth that much on the weapon? You can do 0.5 sec grem per bullet per hit with the HS. _________________ Salt Assault drew this conclusion from the latest devblog. [img]http://oi62.tinypic.com/33208ex.jpg[/img] |
Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:11 pm |
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