TLDR ; Add tech 12,16 and 20 extractors, make them obtainable by a drop commod for tokens mission, watch market forces eat all of the older teams monies while encouraging newer players/teams to kill t2 and t3 mobs in droves.

I had been talking to some people on Discord about the current Resource shortage in WS , and the idea of making higher tech bases extract more resources was floats. In response, I proposed that, instead of the higher bases simply getting extra resources (which is to carebear even for me), there should additional extractors in the game, a full set at tech 3,9,12,16, and 20. This matched the idea that a tech 20 base, costing 9 slots, should produce 5 times the resources of a tech 3 base worth 2 slots.

While at work, i remember there where technically already 4 partial sets of extractors in game; normal, Advanced, Earthforce (gotten from earthforce defense tokens) and Mzugnu (metals only, extracted from ruins), not counting the undead ones from Halloween.


Now, my First Part is this.

1) Complete a full set of Earthforce Extractors at tech level 12 (Metal, Silicon, Nuks, Treecutters, Harvesters.) exchangeable for missions.

2) add a set of Paxian Extractors at tech 16 also exchangeable for missions.

3) expand the Mzungu extractor to a full set at tech 20 and continue to ruin extract them.


Now, because i am me, i need to care-bear, though this will not be as care-bear as it initially sounds. First, some numbers.

There are presently 150 base slots available per account. Let us suppose some new(er) team chooses to use t16's for their kits, that is a total of 20 t16 kits per account. Let us also assume (as with previous unis) that they are able to ind enough planets with 2 resources averaging A Lot levels, so 50 or so extraction points for all 20 of each characters bases. Sometimes its bunches, sometimes its plenty, but 25*2 is the average. Not unreasonable even for EF layer.

Now, 50 extraction points times times 20 bases is 1000 extractors. That's rather a lot of Pirate bases to kill, and frankly i have not seen them at lease in the areas of EF and WS i am able to get to (260 or so). SO having to get these this way is going to be a massive disincentive to their use, resulting in continued overcrowding of WS and teams scrambling over lower yield locations.


My Second Part is this.
Now, i would like to repeat, this is for the t12 and t16 extractors only, the t20 Mzungu will continue to be ruin extractable with no missions option to get them.

Allow Players to get Earthfoce Defense tokens and Paxian Defense tokens by killing level 500 to 1500 field mobs.

10 Rosemary Sprigs, Basil Bouquet, Enchromas, or Blue dust gets you 1 Earthforce Defense Token. This fits perfectly with the existing missions/story as all of those drop pirate crests and can technically be understood as pirates.

The same would apply for Paxian Defense Tokens, 10 Giant Goblets, Xeno Shield Remains, or Xeno Energy Remains would get a player a Paxian Defense Token.

The basic extractors (Silicon, Metal, and Nukes) would be 1 token each. Rarer extractors (Treecutter and Harvester) would be more tokens, possibly 5, and the existing items could be scaled up as well if people feel it necessary for balance reasons.

Predicted effects of this proposal.

1) Fewer/Larger wildspace bases is the obvious end goal here. If teams can seize 5 systems and make what they could have with 15 systems, they are pretty certain to do that. However the secondary effect are interesting as well.

2) Increased trade in Defence Token. Many people have complained about the wealth gap between older players and newer players. Many people have also noted the high price of Jungle Armada Crests due to their use in Spirit Augmenters. Now, let us combine these two things. Most higher tier players are not going to want to spend hours and hours killing, say 10,000 slumberchromes for Enchromas, much less 65,000 for a full set (500) of all 5 extractors/harvesters. There is going to be a very large demand for EF and Pax Defense tokens in the market, which, (steam willing) we will have a surge of lower level players to supply. This will rapidly drain the older teams coffers. Assuming we end up with even a magnitude lower price then JAC's, a high level account would have to spend half a trillion to get all those defense tokens necessary for their bases, and that is per account. Market socialism at its finest.

For those who have problems with large numbers
1 token * 500 basic (metal,sili, nuk) * 3 = 1,500 tokens
5 tokens * 500 rare (Bao, Oats) * 2 = 5,000 tokens
6,500 tokens * 2 (EF and Pax) = 13,000 tokens
40 million per token (Based on JAC price) = 520 billion credits

3) Obviously this is going to provide a huge incentive for smaller teams to start killing W2 and W3 mobs (which they should be doing anyway, but meh). Also, this will provide a huge incentive for (steam willing) new arrivals to level aggressively and organize hunting parties for the drops. Which will in turn result in more players staying on the game.

Say it...Say it...I dare you to say it.

Sorry didn't read but that last part lmao

Yes cos BD wuz 2 lazy to finish the tokens anyway

Nah I think tiny t3 extractor kits are cute and they make ada stm kits look more badass.

Also, this would let legacy players snowball even further into their economical lead in the long run.

I'll let you take care of this one, enk

tl;dr please

Actually the plan is to make bases able to build basebound extractors for all commods. Higher tech bases will be able to make higher tech (better) extractors. This way you don't need to construct expensive reusable ones if you don't want to.

I'm not a big fan of this idea, I prefer the way it is now, with high tech bases having almost no reason to be built for extraction. If you want your extraction kits to be useful in defense, then you're going to have to spend more slots and money on each one, otherwise they'll be made of paper. I think that's a good trade-off.

Giant Digging Machine. No more effective than a prisoner and a shovel.

Every time somebody makes the argument that lower level players can make good buck from higher level ones by grinding X item, I just remind myself of how that worked out with minor Condensers for AT. They love the money at first but later on most hate themselves for selling them, cause it means they have to pay (more) or grind again to acquire them for themselves.

If digging up a shovel-sized piece of resource, absolutely true.

Also for Honorary Diplomas.

Enk, i am trying not to rage at you again. After yelling at me that my proposals where to carebear, you come up with this? THIS? How does this not hand higher level players Mountains of IC commods for zero effort? The only limiter on the IC systems was you had to spend a fortune in Extractors to get them. At least with my system you have to buy them off newer players.

I am willing to listen here, but this better be one hell of an answer. How does your system limit the wealth growth of older players relative to newer players?

If you do not want to build expensive reusable ones, then DO NOT BUILD BASES the way most of DFS does not build them.