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Do you support T20,21 and 22 ships from missions?
Yes 71%  71%  [ 5 ]
No 29%  29%  [ 2 ]
Other (describe below) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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Post To Enk ; Make "Entry level" tech 20+ ships mission based.
Currently, there is no way to advance past tech 20 without fighting on WS. This is a major problem for casual players and teams, particularly those with predictable work schedules leaving them open to attack at regular intervals. To encourage more players to advance past tech 20 (and thus sub) i would like to suggest that the "Entry level" tech 20, 21 and 22 ships have Mission Acquisition options.

The requirements would effectively be the same, or slightly higher. Commodities with low half-lives would be replaced with Honorary Diplomas or some item equally rare but mission acquirable (the goal is that the ships can be gotten without a base of any kind).

This will solve several issues, first, it will make the game more inviting to casual players. Second, it will ensure a small number of team leaders cannot block WS and thus deny game advancement to out newly arrived steam players. Third, it will deal with the base problem, where players who want ships but do not want to fight in WS are no longer bogging down teams.

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Post Re: To Enk ; Make "Entry level" tech 20+ ships mission based
I have two points regarding this.

-In my opinion it is not as hard to hold territory in WS as you say. (But then again, I have spent most my life building bases in SS)
-Tech 20 used to be endgame but it is not anymore. It is more or less midgame now. With that in mind I could see some form of change. I do not know what would be better: changing entry t20 from BPs to mission-based or adding completely new t20 entry ships.

I'm leaning towards new mission-based entry t20s.


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Post Re: To Enk ; Make "Entry level" tech 20+ ships mission based
I had an idea while reading Blizzara's comment.

What would you think about making any BP that isn't the highest tech in game at the time equippable in EF layer? I was thinking it might help as a catch-up mechanism - if a new TL gets added to the game the previous endgame tech now becomes easier to build.

The issue is afaik at the moment t21 & t22 builds are t20 BPs, so maybe it would have to be a rule based around the tech level of the item produced, not the BP itself. Either that or SM22 would have to go in and t21+ gear has its BP tech altered, that sounds a bit painful to me though.


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Post Re: To Enk ; Make "Entry level" tech 20+ ships mission based
Sure, I don't care at all about this.

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Post Re: To Enk ; Make "Entry level" tech 20+ ships mission based
I like how you wrote the title as if enk has the all saying vote :D

I'm actually in favor of this. It sounds more than reasonable.

We could make ships like the Equan and Pax Astro mission rewards and then (if need be) rework the Equan+ etc. BPs of these ships to be a bit more powerful in comparison to its vanilla stats. Right now its about a 10% upgrade to speed and hull and sometimes a tiny upgrade in inbuilt augstats, but its mostly not worth the buildcost anymore.

We'd just have a hole for a capital ship but we can just create one if we need to.

However, I don't see a reason to extend this system into T21 and T22. There's very easy to build ships in both techs. Aslong as you can clear some of UZ (with your mission acquired T20 ship) you can easily build a galaxy to build such assets.

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Post Re: To Enk ; Make "Entry level" tech 20+ ships mission based
DarkSteel wrote:
Aslong as you can clear some of UZ (with your mission acquired T20 ship) you can easily build a galaxy to build such assets.


UZ is buildable space? WTH did no one tell me that!

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In any event, ty profoundly darksteel, this will be tremendously helpful. I have a dozen members including myself who are in need of tech 20 ships.

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Post Re: To Enk ; Make "Entry level" tech 20+ ships mission based
lrellok wrote:
DarkSteel wrote:
Aslong as you can clear some of UZ (with your mission acquired T20 ship) you can easily build a galaxy to build such assets.


UZ is buildable space? WTH did no one tell me that!


He's saying you clear UZ to get Armada base gear and Aug Bps...


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Post Re: To Enk ; Make "Entry level" tech 20+ ships mission based
Why would you single enkelin out? Lol, if anything I'm the person to ask about this stuff because I'm the one that cares about it and would more than likely push for it hahaha.

So basically we're talking about...

Light Fighter:
Vulture
Death Striker
Pax Sheliak
Kalthi Stinger

Heavy Fighter:
Absconditus
Equanimizer
Reaver
Rosmarinus
Pax Venaticora
Kalthi Warrior

Support Freighter:
Pax Astronomica
Assault Behemoth
Apprentice Ward
Pax Scutelogica
Kalthi Deployer

Industrial Freighter:
Dark Freighter

Capital Ship:
Earthforce Dreadnought (Or something similar, I dunno)
Pax Coronae
Kalthi Commander

Did I miss anything?


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Post Re: To Enk ; Make "Entry level" tech 20+ ships mission based
I believe the Absconditus, Reaver, Assault Behemoth, and DF be excluded since they are kind of special and more difficult to build. (DF because I personally don't think many would like the way of getting the best trade bot to be different either more difficult or just plain different). Other than those it would be cool to have more missions for ships so as the topic is about, a way for non-base builders to get a ship of any tech for their class.


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Post Re: To Enk ; Make "Entry level" tech 20+ ships mission based
Uh, they're not difficult to build lol. Actually the only one difficult to build is the Assault Behemoth, so I can understand that one not being included. And just because the DF is one of the best T20 bots doesn't mean it shouldn't have an alternative way to get it via a mission.

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Post Re: To Enk ; Make "Entry level" tech 20+ ships mission based
MasterTrader wrote:


Light Fighter:
Vulture
Death Striker

Heavy Fighter:
Equanimizer
Reaver
Rosmarinus


Support Freighter:
Pax Astronomica
Apprentice Ward


Industrial Freighter:
Dark Freighter

Capital Ship:
Earthforce Dreadnought



Fixed :D

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Post Re: To Enk ; Make "Entry level" tech 20+ ships mission based
DarkSteel wrote:
MasterTrader wrote:


Light Fighter:
Vulture
Death Striker

Heavy Fighter:
Equanimizer
Reaver
Rosmarinus


Support Freighter:
Pax Astronomica
Apprentice Ward


Industrial Freighter:
Dark Freighter

Capital Ship:
Earthforce Dreadnought



Fixed :D


Why include Death Striker? Pretty sure it's not an entry level t20. As the Vulture was specifically added because there was no entry level t20.


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Yeah I suppose that shouldn't be there since it requires an Fwing..

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Post Re: To Enk ; Make "Entry level" tech 20+ ships mission based
The way SS ships look, at least from the T20 onward, you have Tier 1, Tier 2, and Tier 3.

SOME ships (Lion, Absentis) are "Tier 4". They have T21 Tier 2 stats, from a time where there was no T21.

Pax Astro, Izer, Rosmarinus. Those are Tier 1.

Death Striker, Assault Behemoth, etc are Tier 2.

Panther, Rhino, AB+, those are Tier 3.

Izer+, Pax+, Rosy+, etc. Those ships are Tier 1.25 or Tier 1.5, but have costs on level with Tier 2. Likewise DS+ has costs similar to a Panther, but with weak stats.

Pax Sheliak, Venaticora, etc have stats worthy of Tier 2 or possibly even Tier 3 for T21/T22...but their costs are below Tier 1. They're so cheap that they're under UZ ship costs.

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Post Re: To Enk ; Make "Entry level" tech 20+ ships mission based
I think there is merit to having easily accessible Tech 20 and Tech 21 ships, but the more I think about it the more I don't like the idea of changing the Tech 20 ships that are built from Blueprints into being mission acquirable.

Maybe what we could do is this:

T20
Pax Coronae Prototype
Pax Venaticora Prototype
Pax Scutelogica Prototype
Pax Sheliak Prototype

T21
Imperfect Kalthi Deployer
Imperfect Kalthi Stinger
Imperfect Kalthi Commander
Imperfect Kalthi Warrior

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