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Post remove aluminum sheets from jungle BP and reduce resists.
So as I am driving today, I am thinking over the bauxite issue from this morning, and I realize both I and hober are apporaching this completely the wrong way!

Hober holds that the jungle ships are to strong and thus wants ship tech increases removed. I hold buaxite is over priced and want it increased, but a simple fix to the ships covers both of these issues!

The only thing really impressive about jungle ships is their resists. Average speed, ok stats, no inbuilts, ok weapon hold and hull. Conversly, the only reason aluminum sheets even exist is to counter balance those resitances. So let's deal with both issues at once.

Reduce the resistances of the jungle/primal ships to 35/40 average, and replace the aluminum sheet requierment with titanium sheets or bronze or something on that level.

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Post Re: remove aluminum sheets from jungle BP and reduce resists
So, weaker but cheaper. The whole intent of that place is where you'd group up as a level 150-200 player to do the bosses and build the items. If the Primal versions were better (like, besides their small hull bonus), maybe I'd agree that the normal ones should be cheaper and weaker, but they're not and you're not suggesting they be buffed.


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Post Re: remove aluminum sheets from jungle BP and reduce resists
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So, weaker but cheaper. The whole intent of that place is where you'd group up as a level 150-200 player to do the bosses and build the items. If the Primal versions were better (like, besides their small hull bonus), maybe I'd agree that the normal ones should be cheaper and weaker, but they're not and you're not suggesting they be buffed.


Relatively, I am suggesting they be buffed, i am suggesting that compared to the normal ones they get a 5% resistance increase...it is simply that i am suggesting nerfing the normal ones so hard....

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Post Re: remove aluminum sheets from jungle BP and reduce resists
I will say that I was disappointed by the small boost you get from the Primal versions. It doesn't seem worth it for a new player who's just leveling up.

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Post Re: remove aluminum sheets from jungle BP and reduce resists
The Primal Versions are amazing without ship tech upgrades existing in the game... Although I guess if they were tech 15 or 16 they'd be even better.

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Post Re: remove aluminum sheets from jungle BP and reduce resists
For upgrading to Primal, you get:

Primal Leopard 300 -> 330 hull
Primal Monkey 500 -> 550 hull
Primal Tiger 600 -> 630 hull
Primal Elephant 800 -> 880 hull
Primal Bear 1104 -> 1204 hull, Rate of Fire +20% -> Rate of Fire +30%, Shields +325% -> Shields +340%, Energy +325% -> Energy +340%


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Post Re: remove aluminum sheets from jungle BP and reduce resists
You also get 2 tech levels.

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Post Re: remove aluminum sheets from jungle BP and reduce resists
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You also get 2 tech levels.


But tech levels don't mean a lot when you can tech any ship up to 19.

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This is why ship tech upgrades are dumb :roll:

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Why were they added in the first place?


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Post Re: remove aluminum sheets from jungle BP and reduce resists
So that players could keep ships they liked longer, so they wouldnt have to constantly obtain augmenters for new ships, and also to help fill in any tech gaps for ships, like the t ~14-19 area.


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Post Re: remove aluminum sheets from jungle BP and reduce resists
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So that players could keep ships they liked longer, so they wouldnt have to constantly obtain augmenters for new ships, and also to help fill in any tech gaps for ships, like the t ~14-19 area.


Sounds like lazy developers to me.

With enough baseline ships and ship upgrades, all this could be avoided while retaining the metagame of having to think about which ship you want to play in. Like for example I like the AWC, but I must accept I can't have a T22 AWC. I could get a Vacohar'ayu, though. The AWC all things considered except for augmenters, is more powerful than that Vaco. But the Vaco get access to T22 augs.

And that comes up to another point. As soon as you hit T20, this goes out the window:

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So that players could keep ships they liked longer


I don't get to have a T22 UZ ship, T21 Rosmarinus, T22 EFDN, or T21 Vulture.

And before Hober chimes in about the Hawk, please note it doesn't use the same model as the Vulture.


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Post Re: remove aluminum sheets from jungle BP and reduce resists
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Why were they added in the first place?


I am going to speculate as a check on power creep. If the dev team introduced a jaw droppingly powerful ship at, say, tech 12, then everyone would use that at all tech levels and the dev team would know they had to nerf the ship instead of waffling with excuses.

Which is actually a very intelligent and self aware dev team.

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You don't wanna know how much I had to discuss before they removed the t20-22 upgrades :lol:

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Post Re: remove aluminum sheets from jungle BP and reduce resists
Ideally if you had something like 30-40 ships at each tech level past Tech 9 with advantages for picking one ship or another, this wouldn't be a problem.

So it bespeaks of lazy developers.


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