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Voodoo
Main: Immortal Paladin Level: 207
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Re: HAL's January Update
Voodoo wrote: Still doesn't answer if stealthed, hostile, untargeted targets will get hit.
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HAL
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Team: Rank: Director Main: HAL 9000 Level: 1002 Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:00 pm Posts: 1180
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Re: HAL's January Update
Voodoo wrote: Still doesn't answer if stealthed, hostile, untargeted targets will get hit. Yes you will get hit if stealthed. Of course there is no way for someone to fire a weapon that will actively track you if they can't see you on radar, so you are still at a huge advantage in combat.
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MagicSteve
Main: Stooch Level: 1619
Joined: Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:41 pm Posts: 674 Location: Gilkerscleugh
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Re: HAL's January Update
HAL wrote: Voodoo wrote: Still doesn't answer if stealthed, hostile, untargeted targets will get hit. Yes you will get hit if stealthed. Of course there is no way for someone to fire a weapon that will actively track you if they can't see you on radar, so you are still at a huge advantage in combat. Hal 1 more question. If spray and pray is now a valid option can you make it so that you can fire continously even if you have nothing targetted? If a stealth target shoots me I would like to be able to start spraying excomms hopefully rather than wait for him to shoot me again and try to target him before he restealths then be forced to hold down spacebar even when I know he isnt infront of me just because if I let go of spacebar I will have to wait for him to become visible again.
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Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:48 am |
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Enji
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Re: HAL's January Update
HAL wrote: Currently its just a set value, though I do think its a good idea to have the weight of your target affect it. It would indeed be nice... SS physics regarding weapon trajectories are already hard to understand sometimes (like shooting PC bullets sideway or from behind , and the impact on range).
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Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:07 pm |
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HAL
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Team: Rank: Director Main: HAL 9000 Level: 1002 Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:00 pm Posts: 1180
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Re: HAL's January Update
Just as an update, I got the code to set an amount of force behind the projectile working, so a light ship will be more affected than a heavy ship.
A ship that is infinitely heavy will not be affected at all A ship that is the same weight as the force behind the projectile will be affected at a 1:1 ratio. A ship that has no weight will be doubly affected by the impact.
The strict Newtonian Physics relationship between force and mass breaks down when we go below the 1:1 point for balance purposes. While heavy capital ships probably won't be affected significantly, a light fighter won't be completely tossed around like a toy by a strong impact.
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Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:43 pm |
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pearsoa
Team: Rank: Officer Main: Churlish Level: 3152 Joined: Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:35 pm Posts: 102
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Re: HAL's January Update
1) could add some kind of display or info on the shield of the scooped drones please.
2) seems that stealth is taking a hit here, if spray and pray can discover anything by seeing where bullets hit.
3) It will make high dph weaps fun to fire into a war though, fire and hope ftw.
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Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:47 pm |
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MarketForces
Joined: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:35 am Posts: 21
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Re: HAL's January Update
pearsoa wrote: 1) could add some kind of display or info on the shield of the scooped drones please.
2) seems that stealth is taking a hit here, if spray and pray can discover anything by seeing where bullets hit.
3) It will make high dph weaps fun to fire into a war though, fire and hope ftw. Cloaked ships are, essentially, invisible. That is far different from insubstantial. It should be possible for a cloaked ship to be hit by a stray shot. The ship is there. Right? So are the bullets. That the 2 would meet is right and proper. Market
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Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:21 pm |
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pip8786
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Main: PhoenixSun2 Level: 1392
Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2005 12:07 am Posts: 1935
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Re: HAL's January Update
pearsoa wrote: 1) could add some kind of display or info on the shield of the scooped drones please. This will probably have to wait til C2.
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Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:37 pm |
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newman233
Team: Rank: Main: Daggoth Level: 3912 Joined: Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:37 pm Posts: 4438 Location: Married to: CSE
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Re: HAL's January Update
I havnt read all 9 pages, just the first one.
The only problem I see is with bullets hitting all things in the way.
What happens if I tap space bar in sol by mistake and pwn say... LN in a 1k sheiled speedy pax (for example). Then I would be in the shitter, DM after my blood and sol police agro.
And anyways even if its not in sol on an uber run I might hit my fellow players by mistake...
Sorry if I have misunderstood.
Please double check on the sol thingy, it might be a way of pwning players taking refuge there (eg. if it was only hitting enemy players/ai then you could in theory kill them in sol.)
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pip8786
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Main: PhoenixSun2 Level: 1392
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Re: HAL's January Update
newman233 wrote: I havnt read all 9 pages, just the first one.
The only problem I see is with bullets hitting all things in the way.
What happens if I tap space bar in sol by mistake and pwn say... LN in a 1k sheiled speedy pax (for example). Then I would be in the shitter, DM after my blood and sol police agro.
And anyways even if its not in sol on an uber run I might hit my fellow players by mistake...
Sorry if I have misunderstood.
Please double check on the sol thingy, it might be a way of pwning players taking refuge there (eg. if it was only hitting enemy players/ai then you could in theory kill them in sol.)
Kanga All limits (safety lock, pvp) still apply, and only hostile targets are hit.
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Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:06 pm |
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pearsoa
Team: Rank: Officer Main: Churlish Level: 3152 Joined: Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:35 pm Posts: 102
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Re: HAL's January Update
so...if i get a lot of orbiting drones that will protect me from a Lion V2 rocket? sweet!
as for the stealthing, i think you will find people sweeping an area with cheap dispersal weaps to find stealthed ships, not really adding much to game play and another nerf to seer/sniper.
the "you are both in space why wouldn't they hit you" arguement is old and has been answered many times by "this is a game".
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Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:26 pm |
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yugioh124
Main: Nyarlathotep Level: 1854
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Re: HAL's January Update
pearsoa wrote: so...if i get a lot of orbiting drones that will protect me from a Lion V2 rocket? sweet!
as for the stealthing, i think you will find people sweeping an area with cheap dispersal weaps to find stealthed ships, not really adding much to game play and another nerf to seer/sniper.
the "you are both in space why wouldn't they hit you" arguement is old and has been answered many times by "this is a game". Wow, mobile pests are gonna come back as the drone of choice when fighting UBERs.
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Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:29 pm |
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HAL
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Re: HAL's January Update
yugioh124 wrote: Wow, mobile pests are gonna come back as the drone of choice when fighting UBERs. They might be useful to randomly take some hits, but there really isn't going to be any guarantee that they will protect you like they used to. Also each drone is only going to absorb one shot at most, unlike the old system where an uber could waste 10+ shots on a single drone.
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Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:28 pm |
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Voodoo
Main: Immortal Paladin Level: 207
Joined: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:19 pm Posts: 48
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Re: HAL's January Update
HAL wrote: yugioh124 wrote: Wow, mobile pests are gonna come back as the drone of choice when fighting UBERs. They might be useful to randomly take some hits, but there really isn't going to be any guarantee that they will protect you like they used to. Also each drone is only going to absorb one shot at most, unlike the old system where an uber could waste 10+ shots on a single drone. Nah, you just kite with regular pest drones. And stealth classes are going to get the shit beat out of them now. Not only are our light ships going to be knocked around like coconuts in a hurricane, we aren't going to be able effectively use our class. I can name at least 2 weapons that will tell anyone where the seer is coming from.
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Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:04 pm |
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yugioh124
Main: Nyarlathotep Level: 1854
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Re: HAL's January Update
HAL wrote: yugioh124 wrote: Wow, mobile pests are gonna come back as the drone of choice when fighting UBERs. They might be useful to randomly take some hits, but there really isn't going to be any guarantee that they will protect you like they used to. Also each drone is only going to absorb one shot at most, unlike the old system where an uber could waste 10+ shots on a single drone. Ah, I forgot about that new deployment limit. Too bad, they would have been amazing for stuff like Lions and Guardian, where they do huge 1-shot damage.
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