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Rank: Officer Main: Jey123456 Level: 4359 Joined: Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:51 pm Posts: 3366 Location: who knows ? |
We could be making an holographic representation of the ship with 3d touch control popping out of everyone screen showing exactly where each ounce of stats come from and some people would still complain !
People have been guessing the specific stats using wiki / forum / maths for a very long time. With the results of the formula all available precisely it merely mean it will be even easier to figure where everything come from. Its already a lot of work to just get all those stats in so lets take it one step at a time shall we ? _________________ One of the first and proud flight controller. Visit our website: http://www.ef-team.com |
Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:41 pm |
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Rank: Main: TheWozbo Level: 2166 Joined: Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:42 pm Posts: 48 |
Sounds a bit backwards; UI should be driven by the API layer which is driven by the business logic (read: game logic). Are you also passing this information over the command channel (server socket)? This might be better off being a side channel/ REST.
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Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:06 pm |
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Rank: Officer Main: Jey123456 Level: 4359 Joined: Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:51 pm Posts: 3366 Location: who knows ? |
The client only has information it need to have. Specific sources of every stats is not even needed by the server except for the short period where it recalculate every stats for a specific object.
The ui is indeed populated from the logic loop, but that logic loop does not possess nor is there any access to the information needed to provide the advanced data you want. Off-course given unlimited time and server power, we could add unlimited amount of data. But limits are here to ensure we can keep on expanding and not spend an overly large amount of time for very little benefit (like for instance, spending 5 times longer on the ship info dialog to get information you would only use 5% of the time and that you already have access to indirectly). For performance reasons, we do not rely on text based sockets due to how large an overhead they include, altho thats a bit unrelated to that specific discussion since no matter what network format is used, if the data is not available to the client, it simply is not. Adding the server side implementation for the availability on data even the server do not keep outside of when it calculate it is a huge amount of work for very very little gain. _________________ One of the first and proud flight controller. Visit our website: http://www.ef-team.com |
Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:14 pm |
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Rank: Main: Kyp Level: 3482 Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:49 pm Posts: 1172 Location: my desk |
The bits under the ship preview should be in a table to be consistent with the rest of the look & feel, imo
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Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:26 pm |
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Rank: Councilor Main: 1-800-USE_THE_FORCE! Level: 9597 Joined: Sun Aug 28, 2005 6:36 pm Posts: 2769 |
I dont think knowing exactly where all the stats come from will matter as long as we have the end result somewhere, which was the point of the suggestion.
Also would be cool if range and crits were also added to the stats. I think there is another stat that ive always wanted to know but i forgot what it was now hostility perhaps? _________________ "I still miss the Crack Whores..." - Jeff_L |
Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:21 pm |
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Rank: Officer Main: X2 Level: 4628 Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:58 am Posts: 12 |
nice stuff. . . is that pax vega t9 also going on in game? XD
iirc we already have a ship button in game showing hull class and top speed. . . just need to add on that eh? |
Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:09 am |
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Rank: Officer Main: Prolex Level: 2241 Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:43 am Posts: 303 |
Exquisite work Calypso! Definitely will be useful for everyone.
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Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:39 am |
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Rank: Director Main: Jeff_L Level: 1969 Joined: Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:21 am Posts: 3894 Location: Santa Clara, CA |
I was also thinking it might be nice to have the final stats of every equipped weapon, such as damage, DPS, range, energy, rof, but maybe there's not enough room for that.
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Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:18 pm |
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Rank: Main: Ununoctium Level: 5960 Joined: Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:27 pm Posts: 1773 |
How will transference efficiency and electrical tempering be displayed? To avoid confusion it might be worth something like a Healing Efficiency and Firing Energy (weapon efficiency?) stat.
Edit: Changed electrical efficiency to firing energy due to potential confusions arrising from elec tempering not applying to other elec drains. _________________ Space for rent! Last edited by The Salty One on Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:31 pm, edited 1 time in total. |
Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:56 pm |
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Rank: Main: Dark Steel Level: 9138 Joined: Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:35 am Posts: 2068 Location: Netherlands |
JeffL wrote: I was also thinking it might be nice to have the final stats of every equipped weapon, such as damage, DPS, range, energy, rof, but maybe there's not enough room for that. This would be AWESOME _________________ ~DarkSteel / Auxilium Universe Map: http://www.starsonata.com/map/ |
Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:11 pm |
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Rank: Main: Peter_The_Puller Level: 804 Joined: Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:00 pm Posts: 272 Location: The Internet |
JeffL wrote: I was also thinking it might be nice to have the final stats of every equipped weapon, such as damage, DPS, range, energy, rof, but maybe there's not enough room for that. At least for DPS please. It would be amazing to finally find out that stat. And if drones had that info too but I know that's another project. _________________ |
Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:12 pm |
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Level: 2773 Joined: Fri May 14, 2010 2:21 pm Posts: 62 |
urzaserra256 wrote: Then what we are going to end up getting is going to disappoint a fairly large number of players that voted for this was expecting a breakdown of exactly where all the bonuses are coming from and how the bonuses are calculated. Even if the suggestion didnt specifically say that. Knowing how the various bonuses are calculated is somethign that should be in the game somewhere. I might have misunderstood you, but I don't think we should be spoon-fed exactly what bonuses come from where? This still leaves something to the imagination/player experimentation and the ship window will show total bonuses applying to the ship, so as redalert says, you know the end result of your tinkering. JeffL wrote: I was also thinking it might be nice to have the final stats of every equipped weapon, such as damage, DPS, range, energy, rof, but maybe there's not enough room for that. And for slaves please! |
Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:34 pm |
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Rank: Councilor Main: 1-800-USE_THE_FORCE! Level: 9597 Joined: Sun Aug 28, 2005 6:36 pm Posts: 2769 |
The Salty One wrote: How will transference efficiency and electrical tempering be displayed? To avoid confusion it might be worth something like a Healing Efficiency and Firing Energy (weapon efficiency?) stat. Edit: Changed electrical efficiency to firing energy due to potential confusions arrising from elec tempering not applying to other elec drains. Elec tempering thats the other skill! _________________ "I still miss the Crack Whores..." - Jeff_L |
Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:28 pm |
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Rank: Officer Main: NukeACow Level: 8103 Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:17 pm Posts: 220 Location: 4 Houses from Walter White. |
SEANLA4350. wrote: urzaserra256 wrote: Then what we are going to end up getting is going to disappoint a fairly large number of players that voted for this was expecting a breakdown of exactly where all the bonuses are coming from and how the bonuses are calculated. Even if the suggestion didnt specifically say that. Knowing how the various bonuses are calculated is somethign that should be in the game somewhere. I might have misunderstood you, but I don't think we should be spoon-fed exactly what bonuses come from where? This still leaves something to the imagination/player experimentation and the ship window will show total bonuses applying to the ship, so as redalert says, you know the end result of your tinkering. JeffL wrote: I was also thinking it might be nice to have the final stats of every equipped weapon, such as damage, DPS, range, energy, rof, but maybe there's not enough room for that. And for slaves please! Maybe if you were to do this for slaves, a window could pop up when you do status report giving a detailed window like the ship statistics. Gives all the same stats and then slave exclusive ones and perhaps a little spot under the picture or something saying how many slots the slave uses and whether it is a Trade Slave or Combat Slave. _________________ NukeACow! |
Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:34 pm |
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Rank: Main: Ununoctium Level: 5960 Joined: Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:27 pm Posts: 1773 |
Slots might be useful for wild slaves, but I really don't think trade slave VS combat slave is worth adding.
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Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:01 pm |
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