I like the token system BUT IT DOES NOT FIX THE PROBLEM...... drop tables, drop tables, drop tables. I dont know how many times this has to be said. Token system is just a bonus, but it FIXES NOTHING, without the drop tables being fixed. period

I think this is a really great idea. It's allows for long term DG drops that are REALLY difficlut to get, but also "purchasable" through effort. It also gives a VERY money-like commodity from the DG bosses that will make DGing a payable position, kinda. Because the market seems pretty variable on price, there may be some complications in which an item is too "cheap" or "expensive" based on going rates for items, but it should give the admin staff an ability to implicitly manage prices too buy raising or lowering the token price on a commodity.

Time will tell how effective this will be, but really I like being able to trade in the dozens of Jux weapons I have for something truely useful...

Atlum,

People have stupid ammounts of tech 20 gear stored and I could *easily* see someone getting 200+ or more tokens the first day. This is the result of farming dgs over and over and over hoping for that giga gear and killing the same boss a thousand times without getting the drop you want. -_-

However please understand this and look at the trend with these things...

On the first day new aug tweaking came out, I had 3 characters with at 23. I now have 1 at at 25 and 4 at at 23. Everyone who had been playing for a while instantly got at 23 and then within a week or two got at25 with demented augs for their main characters.

When the bana ship ruins were discovered it took maybe a month for almost every sniper in the game to get one who wanted one.

There is no reason to make the exchange rate extremely low just because a handful of people have vast ammounts of tech 20 gear. They have ALREADY put their time in but have *NOT* reaped the rewards to match their time in my oppinion. If anything this just catches those people up who spent so much time dging for the same lame gear over and over trying to get what they needed.

Between myself and knight1, we have a leviathan full of tech 20 gear accumulated this uni that is quite frankly lame. Venusian weapons, radars, engines, shields, that are all totally sub-standard when compared to *real* combat gear sitting there and collecting dust. We've spent hundreds of hours dging trying to get either:

a. a modded venu jack
b. a giga shield of some sort as an upgrade to k1.

We have gotten one drop of any value, period. So what's more unfair, that a few people who have ammased a collection of t20 gear get instant rewards after *already* spending the time to get it, or making the turn in so pathetic that new people trying to come up in the world won't get anywhere...

The former is by far the lesser of two evils. Make the turn in reasonable when compared to how often you get drops only, do not make it reasonable for the tiny few that have 30+ venusian seekers and will get a *one time* huge advance in tokens from this change...

Great Idea but...

You should not be able to exchange items for tokens becuase of all those loot thatchs out there.

You should not be able to exchange tier 1 tokens to tier 2 or 3, or tier 2 tokens for tier 3. Otherwise people could place 5 alts in 5 different low level DGs. Log alt 1, kill the boss, scoop the token. Log alt 2, kill the boss, scoop the token... Log back on alt 1 and boss as already spawned. It would be to easy to camp low level DGs with no effort and ultimately get items like Giga MisD.

But as you said its in the planning stage and its already shaping up. I loved the idea about tiered tokens but the shouldnt be able to be exchanged up, only down.

A token system would be great and I do think we should be able to exchange items for tokens, even those stored in thatches....we need some way of getting rid of all that gear. People start with one thatch, they fill it to the maximum and then make a new one which they start to fill up, then a third one and so on....it's never ending until we get something to use all those items for.

i see what you are saying, but at the dg drop rate atm, its very hard to get those items so i think they should count as if they where gotten by the token system, they where still bought/found, i think they should count.

also, i dont get everything of what your saying, but i got the concept, i will just ask someone to dumb down the rest of it for me

skyfyre is right

within the first day, soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many people would get 1k+ tokens easy, just like aug tweaking.

is that a problem? they have a stack of gear, just like what they'd have if they joined when the token system was implemented and then stored all of their stuff instead of turning it in piecemeal.

as was mentioned earlier (by skyfyre also i believe) there's nothing wrong with the fact people will get high amounts of it early on. they already spent their time doing dg's to get this - just did their time before the implementation instead of after.

i never knew dg stood for dead galaxy thought it was dungeon ...anyways i love the idea however the trading item for tokens i dont like so much, maybe trading items for bps instead....

i always thought it stood for Dangerous Galaxy