Its because the admins are over-doing the skills

instead of giving sniper (and other skills) sooo much bonus, and then alot of reprocussions, consider giving each skill a decent bonus and smaller reprocussions.

instead of going +100% somthing and -50% somthign else, try +75% somthing and -20% somthign else

What your suggesting would start to make the classes seem more alike, the object of classes is to have different approaches to them. if they all only give minor changes, whats the point? Goz, your posting a bit too much, calm it down a bit. Your over reacting and i for one am starting not to take any post you make here seriously. This isnt a flame, just telling it how it is.

I kinda realized that, but I wanna make sure im heard and nnoticed, and how much of this I think needs to be said

sorry for t3h spamz pplz

also, I was saying not to give skills such HUGE canges, not little ones, but not as much as 150% of anything from skill alone

5,000 SP is only 1k levels, not totally unreasonable. Not to mention you are all neglecting to read about how the main skill with 1-2 of the sub skills maxed will roughly get you on par with say, a single level 20 skill today. The third sub class which takes the most SP is a bonus, not a requirement of being able to use the skill effectively. I would most certainly like to see Jeff's responsive to the suggestions of a global aug reset, It would be somewhat difficult not to really.....This is going to be an incredibly significant change to the game, affected practically 100% of players, not just those who own DS's, are sniper, etc. This time it actually is everyone.

The whole idea with the high SP cost is to add variation. You are NOT supposed to have all 3 sub-skills. You are supposed to chose 1 or 2 to specialize yourself. If you then manage to level so high that you can afford all 3 then that's the reward you get for your hard work.

As for a level 600 not being able to afford getting 2 sub-skills, that's the whole point. There's now a reason to be higher level then 500. At level 600 you arent really that high level.

As for SD having to go into close combat, just dont get dogfighting and you will have much better range. You have to sacrifice range to get that sweet damage bonus.

So lame.. i love lvl 500 >.> Bad admin Bad admin!

when i 1st read i thought you were saying we were going to be able to combine different secondarys SD/Sniper.... SD/MF..... Monkey/Sniper hehe would be pretty cool and would add more variety to the game, of course you wouldnt get the full effects of both skills just a little of each so it would be balanced...

Is it just me, or does sniper get no range for being sniper???

It seems like you have to sit still just to get the range.... and train the subset to do it. IMO, that just doesn't make sense. At least add range in the sniper class itself.

~bach

You have a sub-skill for range.

yea kinda makes sense for a Sniper to have range when i 1st heard of sniper i thought of something that can take no damage but would just stay far away and out range everything ...

but you have to sit still for it to really have any effect....

Sniper should have some inbuilt range to begin with.... a subset should add bonuses to make you better, not add core skills that should already be there. Not to mention you have to sit still for it to really work.

The sub skill is nice, but it shouldn't be the only way to get range the way it's setup.

Looks fine to me, you are meant to have atleast 1 sub-skill so the fact that range is one of them is not a problem imo.
You also have to keep in mind that the strategy for playing as sniper will change now, you can no longer rely on your shields to save you. The range sub-skill will work very nicely together with stealth and it will make kiting harder.

But the way your setting it up.... sniper will be extremely hard to use unless it's in a BT killing MS, or some other uber

im not sure if this was asked already but for zerker what do you mean by shots?

Does that mean it will make one weapon fire 2 shots? or give you another weapon slot?

Oh and would SP be refunded so we can get the skills?

It's probably meant to say slot, not shot.