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HAL Dev Team Team: Rank: Director Main: HAL 9000 Level: 1002 Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:00 pm Posts: 1180	Note to DMs (and people going DM) After recent events and testing with high level DMs able to solo or solo DPS end game bosses, it is likely that the drone operation augmenters will be nerfed or have their stats readjusted so that the drones aren't quite as overpowered with end game gear. What exactly will be done and when is still under discussion, but for now please understand that a nerf is coming. Don't go reset your skills and blow a ton of credits on a new ship, drone operation augmenters and armada drones just to be overpowered unless you are really serious about becoming an engineer. Last edited by HAL on Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:34 pm

phycokinetic Main: PhysicalAbuse V Level: 2006 Joined: Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:09 pm Posts: 0	As long as you dont do what normally happens, in that you nerf things 900% so much that the end article, may as well be a minor combo...there are several of the high end DM's that will test this for you to get the right balance Slicer Neuraxis Abbara (if he still plays) Nicely Trimmed bush Geoman11 (Geoman11 has only been playing a few months, and is lvl 1300+) KoRGenT Deadwall These are the only DM's in the 1400 level that i can think of, that will be using these sort of setups and augs, so please speak to these and get their opinions.
Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:39 pm

Nuromishi Team: Rank: Main: Nurokourri Level: 5049 Joined: Sat Aug 21, 2004 6:48 pm Posts: 1056	I personally think the Uber Zone drones should take a penalty as well in power. However, make it so when drones are destroyed they become a destroyed drone rather (like how bases become a destroyed base) and scoopable by the owner, as well as have higher end DGs and UZ bosses rarely drop repair blueprints that could be used to have one regular version of the drone and a bunch of metals and other commodities turn the destroyed drones into refurbished drones with the same stats and ability to become a destroyed state of the regular drone was blown up again (refurbished in the name would be simply to prevent exploitation by using one drone to repair a bunch of drones, and the repaired drones to continue repairing in a chain). While not related exactly to the overpowered drone aug stats, I just wanted to share that suggestion to further balance the insane cost and high-power of the more advanced drones in their current relation. _________________ Fucking loot...
Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:47 pm

Tregish Member Team: Rank: Main: KorGgenT Level: 2525 Joined: Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:16 am Posts: 539 Location: DG 0.839	Armada Drones, in general, without any drone operations augs are not broken as far as i can tell. In my opinion, drone ops augs are only broken because you can use multiples of them on one ship, and still have quite a bit of bank to deploy drones. Therefore, in my opinion it would be best to limit these augs to one per ship, and/or remove the energybank bonus. _________________ "Why be difficult, when with a little more effort you can be impossible?" "Just because we are mortal enemies, doesn't mean we can't be friends." - Retyu JeffL wrote: It's all a scam! omg!!!!
Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:40 pm

Bubonic Plague Joined: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:46 pm Posts: 3 Location: Canada	/Off Topic KorGenT, You got more uber since i last remember you...Heard you got a Rhino, grats... /On Topic Nerf...?
Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:48 pm

Emrys Main: _Emrys Level: 1036 Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:26 am Posts: 2 Location: Southern California	Tregish wrote: Armada Drones, in general, without any drone operations augs are not broken as far as i can tell. In my opinion, drone ops augs are only broken because you can use multiples of them on one ship, and still have quite a bit of bank to deploy drones. Therefore, in my opinion it would be best to limit these augs to one per ship, and/or remove the energybank bonus. Agreed. And thank you PA, for pointing that out. Hopefully the admins follow your advice... _________________
Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:29 pm

BAM5992 Main: Goz Level: 1564 Joined: Sat Dec 17, 2005 9:39 pm Posts: 83 Location: Eredar US, Gozmatic (Horde)	aye, Dm'ing should be left to the ones who do it best _________________ 2nd place is just another way to say 1st loser.
Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:35 pm

yugioh124 Main: Nyarlathotep Level: 1854 Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:17 am Posts: 3978 Location: Classified	.............................................................................................................. .............................................................................................................. .............................................................................................................. .............................................................................................................. .............................................................................................................. .............................................................................................................. .............................................................................................................. I do not believe this. I traded a 2 billion credit item for a T10 drone aug, for my lowbie alt. I also paid 500 mil for another one, and have purchased well over 2 bil in drones (although I lost most of them). Why would you not take another few days to look at balence before you released these things? I want a refund, I cannot believe you would wait this long to announce it, although I do not expect you to care after seeing how you have treated others who you also royally fucked over in the same fashion.
Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:02 pm

comp112 Main: MasterComp112 Level: 656 Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:06 am Posts: 0 Location: Beyond The Looking Glass	I concur with Korg. _________________
Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:08 pm

trevor54 Team: Rank: Councilor Main: Trevor Level: 5369 Joined: Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:01 pm Posts: 4162 Location: Alabama	its not the drones...its the Mutiply of Drone ops stacked _________________ Stay strong, live long, and walk humbly.
Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:45 pm

25866 Main: Tengu Level: 866 Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:47 pm Posts: 0 Location: With Stupid	yugioh124 wrote: I do not believe this. I traded a 2 billion credit item for a T10 drone aug, for my lowbie alt. I also paid 500 mil for another one, and have purchased well over 2 bil in drones (although I lost most of them). Why would you not take another few days to look at balence before you released these things? I want a refund, I cannot believe you would wait this long to announce it, although I do not expect you to care after seeing how you have treated others who you also royally fucked over in the same fashion. You do realize this hasn't happened yet? It's going to happen yes, but it hasn't happened yet. Ever wondered why a drone ops aug costs so much other than how rare it is to find the tokens? And the admins will probably be consulting player DMs before they do this.
Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:14 pm

wasup999999 Member Team: Rank: Main: Wasup999998 Level: 1921 Joined: Sat Apr 09, 2005 2:03 pm Posts: 152	Code: Person in a Pax Astro (Augs taken out, don't post plz) [admins check the support ticket, its included there] AT23, IT3, no OL Augs ((((1.2 * 1.26 * 1.26) - 1) * (1.96 + .1)) + 1) = 2.8645472 Skills 1.6 * 2.8645472 = 4.58327552 (Aug stats * Drone Master skill drone ops) Total 4.58327552 * 4.58327552 = 21.0064144922312704 dps increase (Damage * ROF) 21.0064144922312704 * 5 = 105.032072461156352 dps total (5 drones) Zebra Bite Lasergun 845 * 4.58327552 = 3,872.8678144 damage per shot 2 * (1 / 4.58327552) = 0.43636914064463661132900864750981 recoil 75 * 4.58327552 = 343.745664 range 3,872.8678144 / 0.43636914064463661132900864750981 = 8,875.210122967711744 dps per drone 8,875.210122967711744 * 5 = 44,376.05061483855872 damage per second Rhino Cannon 662 * 4.58327552 = 3,034.12839424 damage per shot 3 * (1 / 4.58327552) = 0.65455371096695491699351297126471 recoil 750 * 4.58327552 = 3,437.45664 range 3,034.12839424 / 0.65455371096695491699351297126471 = 4,635.4154646190336682666666666717 dps per drone 4,635.4154646190336682666666666717 * 5 = 23,177.077323095168341333333333358 damage per second Lion Breath 185 * 4.58327552 = 847.9059712 damage per shot .5 * (1 / 4.58327552) = 0.14285714285714285714285714285714 recoil (0.10909228516115915283225216187745 actual, capped at 7 shots per second [lag rof cap]) 325 * 4.58327552 = 1,489.564544 range 847.9059712 / 0.14285714285714285714285714285714 = 5,928.3417984000000000000000000059 dps per drone 5,928.3417984000000000000000000059 * 5 = 29,641.70899200000000000000000003 damage per second Lion Incinerator 125 * 3 * 4.58327552 = 1,718.72832 damage per shot .6 * (1 / 4.58327552) = 0.14285714285714285714285714285714 recoil (0.13091074219339098339870259425294 actual, capped at 7 shots per second [lag rof cap]) 40 * 4.58327552 = 183.3310208 range 1,718.72832 / 0.14285714285714285714285714285714 = 12,031.098240000000000000000000012 dps per drone 12,031.098240000000000000000000012 * 5 = 60,155.49120000000000000000000006 damage per second Panther Paws 510 * 4.58327552 = 2,337.4705152 damage per shot 1 * (1 / 4.58327552) = 0.2181845703223183056645043237549 recoil 180 * 4.58327552 = 824.9895936 range 2,337.4705152 / 0.2181845703223183056645043237549 = 10,713.271391037947904000000000044 dps per drone 10,713.271391037947904000000000044 * 5 = 53,566.356955189739520000000000222 damage per second Panther Fang 1,000 * 4.58327552 = 4,583.27552 damage per shot 4 * (1 / 4.58327552) = 0.872738281289273222658017295016 recoil 25 * 4.58327552 = 114.581888 range 4,583.27552 / 0.872738281289273222658017295016 = 5,251.6036230578176000000000000217 dps per drone 5,251.6036230578176000000000000217 * 5 = 26,258.018115289088000000000000105 damage per second My 2 cents, admins remove it if you don't want them on here... If you tell me its not broken, you are very, very ignorant. _________________ "Thanx wasup " ~The Voomy One Ha!
Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:21 pm

saran Team: Rank: Director Main: goldstar-stations Level: 6861 Joined: Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:54 pm Posts: 1174	what it needs is a rebalencing wasup. not for the drones to be removed or cut to peices. and yugioh HaL did say dont go investing unless you know what your getting into... he didnt say it had happend yet. read the damn forum before you post your starting to get on my nerves as well. i agree perhaps they have too much energy or sheilds and that allows over stacking.maybe remove all bonuses on the ops augs other then the ops. that aught to make them a little harder to stack. but also iv been told that station tweaking effects drones in a big way. Neuraxis and i have kept a running dialogue about it and i wont speak for him but i do see being able to equip more then one as being a bit overpowering in many cases. if you limit it to one of a type this might help. one sup class, one prowess, one normal...ect. _________________
Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:47 pm

wasup999999 Member Team: Rank: Main: Wasup999998 Level: 1921 Joined: Sat Apr 09, 2005 2:03 pm Posts: 152	I never said my personal opinion, personally, I say that the ops augs stay the same but are limited to 1 per ship; a quickfix for it would be to do things such as: On the Ops give -hull, and on the engineer mastery give +hull. So on the sup _____ ops drone aug give -20% hull and the engineer mastery give +25% hull -> no change (.8 * 1.25 = 1). _________________ "Thanx wasup " ~The Voomy One Ha!
Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:54 pm

saran Team: Rank: Director Main: goldstar-stations Level: 6861 Joined: Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:54 pm Posts: 1174	perhaps. that is one rout that could be taken and it is much quicker.perhaps just set a hard programmed limit. that alone should be enough to fix part of that problem. and station tweaking can be ether fixed or removed. since its an outdated skill and stations are allready pretty insane. knows neuraxis hates this part EDIT: one thing that does do though is require the use of an engineer augmenter if you use an ops aug. i dont think that would work so well. _________________
Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:59 pm

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