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Antilzah wrote:

What about non-base augs?

Antilzah wrote:

Cool. No more everlasting ops either.

Chaosking3 wrote:

That's brilliant. Plus it would be smart to give a low level zone like the Jungle some end game farming reasons, gives the noobs money and the end gamers a constant source.

ELITE wrote:

Chaosking3 wrote:

That's brilliant. Plus it would be smart to give a low level zone like the Jungle some end game farming reasons, gives the noobs money and the end gamers a constant source.

I feel like The Jungle isn't instanced, but seeing as I've never done it myself I'll just let someone else correct me.

SI wrote:

Its been suggested in the past and we do have some tech 12 spirit augs incoming for bases. I'll make a separate topic here soon to discuss which items we have replacements for, and which ones you guys feel that we have missed.

MasterTrader wrote:

You know, after reading this I realized something:

Base Shield Transference might be the reason it's hard to balance defense vs offense.

If bases didn't heal each other the way they do, the admins could come up with ways for players to actually interact with enemy bases in stead of more dakka.

anilv wrote:

MasterTrader wrote:

If bases didn't have healing weapons, how exactly would you prevent the attackers from wtfwrecking everything?

MasterTrader wrote:

anilv wrote:

MasterTrader wrote:

If bases didn't have healing weapons, how exactly would you prevent the attackers from wtfwrecking everything?

Invulnerability phases to give the defending team time to react. Higher effective shields on bases so that it takes longer to kill them. Extending the duration of fights through other mechanics, like making base weapons Anti player ship defenses primarily and giving them "Super Weapons" that are much more effective against bases, but have cooldowns and need to be used multiple times in order to crack a base... which wouldn't be that big of an issue seeing as bases wouldn't have insane amounts of effective health due to not having shield transference for bases... and progress to the next phase of that bases destruction.

And if you do that, then you might want to consider increasing the power and economic value of individual bases.

Things that don't exist in this game at the moment and that may not ever exist in the game. They don't have to be done, some of them may not even fit within the context of Star Sonata, but they are options.

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Things that don't exist in this game at the moment and that may not ever exist in the game. They don't have to be done, some of them may not even fit within the context of Star Sonata, but they are options.

Danger wrote:

So the team with the most shms wins? Kind of a stupid idea. Bases heal other bases so that you can't just burst down 1 base and then another until there are none left. The attacker just has to sit on the edge of the system while their bases mag down bases and anyone who tries to get near them.

Author:	DarkSteel [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:16 am ]
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Antilzah wrote: What about non-base augs? Can't be used on bases next uni. No more resist augs on kits, thank the lord.

Author:	Antilzah [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 9:58 am ]
Post subject:	Re: The State of BvB in Star Sonata
Cool. No more everlasting ops either.

Author:	anilv [ Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:06 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: The State of BvB in Star Sonata
Antilzah wrote: Cool. No more everlasting ops either. As long as they put in some decent base-only items to replace this kind of stuff, I don't care.

Author:	Danger [ Sat Nov 28, 2015 1:05 pm ]
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I'd like to see Spirit of the Elephant and other of those, because all you gotta do is make baby versions of the real ones to replace the Angel aug and a few others that I liked to use for my extraction kits. Would also help low levels have more variety in auging their kits

Author:	Chaosking3 [ Tue Dec 01, 2015 12:14 am ]
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That's brilliant. Plus it would be smart to give a low level zone like the Jungle some end game farming reasons, gives the noobs money and the end gamers a constant source.

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Author:	ELITE [ Tue Dec 01, 2015 2:33 am ]
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Chaosking3 wrote: That's brilliant. Plus it would be smart to give a low level zone like the Jungle some end game farming reasons, gives the noobs money and the end gamers a constant source. I feel like The Jungle isn't instanced, but seeing as I've never done it myself I'll just let someone else correct me.

Author:	SunDog60 [ Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:05 am ]
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ELITE wrote: Chaosking3 wrote: That's brilliant. Plus it would be smart to give a low level zone like the Jungle some end game farming reasons, gives the noobs money and the end gamers a constant source. I feel like The Jungle isn't instanced, but seeing as I've never done it myself I'll just let someone else correct me. None of Jungle is instanced (though possibly the Bear boss room is, not sure on that one), but the respawn on the bosses is fairly quick.

Author:	SI [ Wed Dec 02, 2015 7:04 pm ]
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Its been suggested in the past and we do have some tech 12 spirit augs incoming for bases. I'll make a separate topic here soon to discuss which items we have replacements for, and which ones you guys feel that we have missed.

Author:	ELITE [ Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:38 pm ]
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SI wrote: Its been suggested in the past and we do have some tech 12 spirit augs incoming for bases. I'll make a separate topic here soon to discuss which items we have replacements for, and which ones you guys feel that we have missed. So if we get t12 spirit augs, can we get instancing in that area? Otherwise the supply is going to dry up in about a uni.

Author:	MasterTrader [ Fri Jan 15, 2016 2:06 am ]
Post subject:	Re: The State of BvB in Star Sonata
You know, after reading this I realized something: Base Shield Transference might be the reason it's hard to balance defense vs offense. If bases didn't heal each other the way they do, the admins could come up with ways for players to actually interact with enemy bases in stead of more dakka.

Author:	anilv [ Fri Jan 15, 2016 1:53 pm ]
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MasterTrader wrote: You know, after reading this I realized something: Base Shield Transference might be the reason it's hard to balance defense vs offense. If bases didn't heal each other the way they do, the admins could come up with ways for players to actually interact with enemy bases in stead of more dakka. If bases didn't have healing weapons, how exactly would you prevent the attackers from wtfwrecking everything?

Author:	MasterTrader [ Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:31 pm ]
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anilv wrote: MasterTrader wrote: You know, after reading this I realized something: Base Shield Transference might be the reason it's hard to balance defense vs offense. If bases didn't heal each other the way they do, the admins could come up with ways for players to actually interact with enemy bases in stead of more dakka. If bases didn't have healing weapons, how exactly would you prevent the attackers from wtfwrecking everything? Invulnerability phases to give the defending team time to react. Higher effective shields on bases so that it takes longer to kill them. Extending the duration of fights through other mechanics, like making base weapons Anti player ship defenses primarily and giving them "Super Weapons" that are much more effective against bases, but have cooldowns and need to be used multiple times in order to crack a base... which wouldn't be that big of an issue seeing as bases wouldn't have insane amounts of effective health due to not having shield transference for bases... and progress to the next phase of that bases destruction. And if you do that, then you might want to consider increasing the power and economic value of individual bases. Things that don't exist in this game at the moment and that may not ever exist in the game. They don't have to be done, some of them may not even fit within the context of Star Sonata, but they are options.

Author:	Danger [ Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:10 pm ]
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So the team with the most shms wins? Kind of a stupid idea. Bases heal other bases so that you can't just burst down 1 base and then another until there are none left. The attacker just has to sit on the edge of the system while their bases mag down bases and anyone who tries to get near them.

Author:	anilv [ Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:00 pm ]
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MasterTrader wrote: anilv wrote: MasterTrader wrote: You know, after reading this I realized something: Base Shield Transference might be the reason it's hard to balance defense vs offense. If bases didn't heal each other the way they do, the admins could come up with ways for players to actually interact with enemy bases in stead of more dakka. If bases didn't have healing weapons, how exactly would you prevent the attackers from wtfwrecking everything? Invulnerability phases to give the defending team time to react. Higher effective shields on bases so that it takes longer to kill them. Extending the duration of fights through other mechanics, like making base weapons Anti player ship defenses primarily and giving them "Super Weapons" that are much more effective against bases, but have cooldowns and need to be used multiple times in order to crack a base... which wouldn't be that big of an issue seeing as bases wouldn't have insane amounts of effective health due to not having shield transference for bases... and progress to the next phase of that bases destruction. And if you do that, then you might want to consider increasing the power and economic value of individual bases. Things that don't exist in this game at the moment and that may not ever exist in the game. They don't have to be done, some of them may not even fit within the context of Star Sonata, but they are options. You're describing a completely different kind of combat role for bases. I guess my question would be… why? Bases are better balanced now than they have ever been. Just look at all the mid-level teams that a thriving with a sensible investment in base defense (and the few who are not because they skimped on defense to an embarrassing degree).

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Author:	MasterTrader [ Sat Jan 16, 2016 12:18 am ]
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Like I said in that very same post: Quote: Things that don't exist in this game at the moment and that may not ever exist in the game. They don't have to be done, some of them may not even fit within the context of Star Sonata, but they are options. Danger wrote: So the team with the most shms wins? Kind of a stupid idea. Bases heal other bases so that you can't just burst down 1 base and then another until there are none left. The attacker just has to sit on the edge of the system while their bases mag down bases and anyone who tries to get near them. Transference Immunity. That problem is now solved. See how easy it is when you consider things that are completely outside of the box? There's no need to do anything I suggested, its just another angle of coming at the "supposed" issue.