Yeah, inventory tetris is super lame.

An overtanked FC/ShM in a small ship comes to mind.

The item I was commenting on was for recon class and light fighters only. It would also be possible to overflow the hull space on a ship made purposely for spotting other stealthy ships. There are probably other legit setups out there which could benefit from this.

On the other hand, this is something I've done for a long time by amplifying a Calypso's Presence, so it isn't new and gamebreaking. But it certainly isn't sufficient to only lock weapons when the hull is overflowing.

I don't think the admin who came up with Amps fully contemplated the stuff players would do with it.

I don't think they applied what an Amp device would do for squads, much less auras that aren't commonly used. Seems to me it was designed to beef SOLO FC, which it did, but it also made them hilariously OP in squad combat vs AI or in PvP/PvB.

Im glad they are considering this idea, its many years overdue.

I dont quite understand though, what is the advantage of having a new concept for cargo loot where all items take 1 space, versus just a new "cargo hold" smaller ships can get that uses the current existing space mechanics? For example the cargo holds would just give 1 to 2k of normal space, but you couldn't use that as ship space to equip items from so ship design balance wouldnt be affected etc...

Think about loot systems in other games. Do you know any that have a certain loot item that takes up literally thousands of times the space in your inventory as another loot item? It's not a good system and I'm glad they're moving away from it.

Im all for this change, and even suggested something it once.

But with other games you have more types of item stacking so that a bunch of small items dont take all your space. As far as I understand though, that wouldnt occur with this new loot cargo method. So 20 crappy augs would take up all your cargo space. The one advantage of just giving normal extra hull space but which cant be used for equipping is that already has this stacking built in. You could either scoop a 100-size weap or 100 augs. Or is some type of stacking envisioned for this new method?

Any item takes 1 size in the cargo hold. And they are moving away from the current glut of BPs in DGs but the concern with augs/tweaks/random shit is valid.

Define "Cargo Slot" Do you mean i can store 20 individual items or 20 space worth of items?

Would it not be simpler to just change the existing Hull Expanders to do this? http://wiki.starsonata.com/index.php/Hull_Expanders

They are already broken down by ship type, are reasonably balanced and most of the coding is done, and people already have a fork ton of them in storage. My minuscule knowledge of coding i would imagine that you would only need to change a few lines rather then write a whole new item set.

Slots, so a size 1000 piece of loot will fit into that 20 slot storage the exact same way a size 1 piece of loot will. It will only go into your normal inventory IF there is something bigger than it you scooped, and you're full on cargo slots (i.e. smallest items leave cargo).

Then i emphatically repeat my suggestion to just "Upgrade" the existing hull expanders to this system.

Sounds annoying and overly complex. How do my 4-5 modded hull expanders work in your system? The goal of this new system is for it to be equal across hulls and classes. The current hull expanders aren't even close to equal lol.

Tech 20 expanders F2p

all Tiger Storage Bay 5 spaces gives 17 storage

LF Primal Panther Bay 1 space gives 16 storage

HF Alien Hull Expander 1 space gives 26 storage

Freighter Primal Rhino Expander 5 space gives 45 storage
OR Elephant expander 1 space gives 30 storage

Cap ships Bear Expansion 5 gives 35 storage

So if we simply increase the LF bays by 5, that actually seems reasonably balanced. And i am not seeing how this is more complex then what is being proposed, it actually fits within the existing game nicely. Instead of randomly dropping another type of storage onto the ships, simply take an existing item and make it the other type of storage. Elite, i am curios, what ratios would you prefer to see?

Sounds overly complex, annoying to balance, and not worth the effort. Hull Expanders are a piece of gear, and not universal across the board. The hull space gained from hull expanders count towards the original equipment inventory, not the loot locker//cargo slot inventory. Hull expanders are like adding an external storage bin on top of your car. Loot locker//Cargo slots are conceptually bound to the player's character.