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anilv wrote:

I don't have any Bar Skills past 10. :roll:

Am bad at gaem

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This runs into the counterintuitive scenario where selling more commodities will make you less money.

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While we’re happy with the weight of these commodities when moved using bots, we aren’t too happy with how it seems to be inhibiting manual trading.

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Because the consumption rate is constant in the current system, the optimal strategy is to sell just under that rate in order to keep the supply close to zero

lrellok wrote:

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This runs into the counterintuitive scenario where selling more commodities will make you less money.

That's not counter intuitive, that's 101 level economics. As supply increases price falls.

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While we’re happy with the weight of these commodities when moved using bots, we aren’t too happy with how it seems to be inhibiting manual trading.

I seem to remember screaming my head off about this when the system was first proposed...oh wait, that's because i did.

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Because the consumption rate is constant in the current system, the optimal strategy is to sell just under that rate in order to keep the supply close to zero

How did you guys figure the rate out? Sitting and watching for hours?

Xonok2 wrote:

Lowering the profit margin in real economics is generally done to increase overall profit. You can get more money by just getting to more people, as long as you keep production costs in mind. ICs however would give full profit up until a certain volume, after which they'd suddenly crash due to the bases being filled faster than they consume. It made no sense so I'm glad it's getting fixed.

sabre198 wrote:

it will suffer from the same crappy reason its pointless to make fine space whiskey and ship it round

Author:	anilv [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:12 pm ]
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I don't have any Bar Skills past 10. Am bad at gaem

Author:	DarkSteel [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:19 pm ]
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anilv wrote: I don't have any Bar Skills past 10. Am bad at gaem Remember that time when you said you'd upgrade your engineer to T22? That was 2 years ago and it's still in that terribad HM

Author:	lrellok [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:42 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Tweaks to the industrial commodities system
Quote: This runs into the counterintuitive scenario where selling more commodities will make you less money. That's not counter intuitive, that's 101 level economics. As supply increases price falls. Quote: While we’re happy with the weight of these commodities when moved using bots, we aren’t too happy with how it seems to be inhibiting manual trading. I seem to remember screaming my head off about this when the system was first proposed...oh wait, that's because i did. Quote: Because the consumption rate is constant in the current system, the optimal strategy is to sell just under that rate in order to keep the supply close to zero How did you guys figure the rate out? Sitting and watching for hours?

Author:	Xonok2 [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:29 am ]
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lrellok wrote: Quote: This runs into the counterintuitive scenario where selling more commodities will make you less money. That's not counter intuitive, that's 101 level economics. As supply increases price falls. Quote: While we’re happy with the weight of these commodities when moved using bots, we aren’t too happy with how it seems to be inhibiting manual trading. I seem to remember screaming my head off about this when the system was first proposed...oh wait, that's because i did. Quote: Because the consumption rate is constant in the current system, the optimal strategy is to sell just under that rate in order to keep the supply close to zero How did you guys figure the rate out? Sitting and watching for hours? Lowering the profit margin in real economics is generally done to increase overall profit. You can get more money by just getting to more people, as long as you keep production costs in mind. ICs however would give full profit up until a certain volume, after which they'd suddenly crash due to the bases being filled faster than they consume. It made no sense so I'm glad it's getting fixed.

Author:	lrellok [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:47 am ]
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Xonok2 wrote: Lowering the profit margin in real economics is generally done to increase overall profit. You can get more money by just getting to more people, as long as you keep production costs in mind. ICs however would give full profit up until a certain volume, after which they'd suddenly crash due to the bases being filled faster than they consume. It made no sense so I'm glad it's getting fixed. In a competitive market, yes. Read about the gilded age. The reason Monopolies were a problem is that they would pull exactly this trick, holding productivity just below demand to inflate prices against fixed production costs. Lowering your profit margin only works if you have competitors to take customers away from, if you are the only one selling in the market, its pointless. Which is the case with a station inside a claimed system chain. I am glad it is fixed as well, but this was entirely predictable.

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Author:	sabre198 [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:22 am ]
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it will suffer from the same crappy reason its pointless to make fine space whiskey and ship it round, the bases crash and you end up losing money. its too difficult to regulate your slaves. even if you do some other asshole starts dumping on your ai base

Author:	lrellok [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:59 am ]
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sabre198 wrote: it will suffer from the same crappy reason its pointless to make fine space whiskey and ship it round I am about to make a suggestion you might support then.

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