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Rank: Director Main: Jeff_L Level: 1969 Joined: Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:21 am Posts: 3894 Location: Santa Clara, CA |
I've finished the first pass of rebalancing the lasers and the energies and am halfway done with a new combined pulse gun + mag cannon + pulseshotgun sheet. I've had a lot of constructive comments on the laser's and am still working on them, so please don't take any stats that you see on test as the final point.
I would like to make two points that perhaps I did not communicate properly already. First, a big reason for changing the stats and coming up with new balance formulas for everything is not just because the existing balance of things is pretty bad, but it's also so that we can more easily move forward. Most tech 20 items are about 50% - 100% more powerful than other items just a couple tech levels below in the current game. I am making a much more gradual and even power curve so that we can add tech 21 and more over time without breaking old content by following the existing curve. The second point that I would like to make is that while I am trying to keep the basic nature of all items as close to possible to what they currently are, I am literally changing the stats on every item in the game. So it makes no sense to go on test server and say something like "My energy bank has gone from X to Y, I'm nerfed so badly, etc etc." What will matter is all of the stats relative to each other once the new numbers start to settle in and we become happy with them. Plus, the Damage Per Energy (DPE) of all the weapons is going up significantly. None of this is going live until we are happy with the new stats, and we will be taking all of your suggestions and opinions once we have at least the first pass of all the new stats up on test. I would also like to take the chance to talk about some of the formulas I am redoing so that you guys can have some insight to what exactly is going on here. The existing items have a very vague noting of how much "power" per tech level they should be, but most items that people actually use are totally deviated from the old power formulas because various devs adding items didn't agree with the old power formulas so just made items that seemed right. But this gave us things like the DS and other totally unbalanced ships and items. So I have a new formula that will strictly give a baseline power for each item based on the tech level. This power is then modified by a size class, a weight class, the acquire difficulty, and other things like if the item is neuro-bound, hull class bound, or has a skill requirement. I would like to start adding new higher-level content with each uni, and I think a fun way of doing that is to add new, more difficult enemies and 1 new attainable tech level and new items of that level. Because I would like to, in theory, expand the maximum tech and therefore power of items indefinitely, I wanted to make a power curve with diminishing returns. By that, I mean that each successive level adds less power, percentage-wise, than the previous level. Diminishing returns for increased cost also creates a natural game balance, as people will get the skills up to the point where it's worth it to them to keep getting the skills. The currently formula that I'm working off of is that if a tech 0 item has a relative power of 1.0, then the power P of an item of tech T will be P(T) = 1.0 + 0.20T. This means that an item of tech 1 will be 20% more powerful than an item of tech 0 and an item of tech 20 will be 4.2% more powerful than an item of tech 19, and, if you consider the power of a ship with all items of a certain tech to be roughly the cube of the power of the individual items, then a ship of tech level 1 will be 73% more powerful than a ship with tech level 0 and a ship of tech level 20 will be 13% more powerful than a ship with tech level 19. Also, a ship with all common level 20 equipment will be 125x as powerful as a ship with all common tech 0 equipment. But since a person with tech 20 skills will likely have mostly DG loot, mission rewards, and built items, they will probably be more like 216x as powerful as a ship with all tech 0 equipment. Since the old power curve looked more like an exponential graph and the new power curve looks like a line, the low-mid level equipment is getting quite a beef. This will apply to players and AI's alike, so will hopefully be close to a wash in terms of difficulty of doing content, but we will have to playtest and adjust AI's to make sure. I am trying to make it so high-level content will be roughly as easy/hard as it currently is, with new, higher-level enemies to be added that will be involved with players getting tech 21 skills. And for your amusement, here's an animated GIF banner I made yesterday to go up against the new flash banners: _________________ For support, please create a support ticket here and I will get back to you as soon as possible. About Star Sonata. |
Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:29 pm |
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Rank: Officer Main: Cornado Level: 3235 Joined: Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:20 pm Posts: 1217 |
Sounds nice. Also, Nice add
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Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:33 pm |
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Rank: Councilor Main: Trevor Level: 5369 Joined: Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:01 pm Posts: 4162 Location: Alabama |
not much we can say as a whole, until we see some final stats.
Until then, Ill be saving up my tears. _________________ Stay strong, live long, and walk humbly. |
Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:41 pm |
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Rank: Main: GeneralMayhem Level: 1878 Joined: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:48 am Posts: 101 Location: Australia |
Thanks for update. I hope as next phase is ready to test we get informed on that so can try it out.
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Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:03 pm |
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Main: Immortal Paladin
Level: 207 Joined: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:19 pm Posts: 48 |
So far I love the updates. My FCs slaves do some serious damage now, my seer is about the same but it hasn't been balanced yet and my other characters are all still about the same.
_________________ "Sod this - all skills in Sol for $10 each, let's go to the pub" BeanSidhe *Staring at admins for C2 preview* Everyone join in! |
Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:15 pm |
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Rank: Director Main: Biggee Level: 3017 Joined: Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:27 pm Posts: 659 |
All good stuff. Personally i'm waiting until after the re-balance to start playing again. Too much BS going on atm with just about everything. Keep up the good work.
_________________ uhmari wrote: When i look at uhmari, I can see clearly the problems in it |
Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:54 pm |
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Main: Nyarlathotep
Level: 1854 Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:17 am Posts: 3978 Location: Classified |
Sounds good, apart from that stupidity with cap ship bonuses and augs. Any idea if that will be fixed or not? I lost over 200k shield bank WITHOUT any augs stacking in my cap ship, simply because I used a PtE along with the +600% shields bonus.
_________________ Dorin Nube wrote: Nipples aren't the only danger here. |
Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:53 am |
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Joined: Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:11 am Posts: 140 Location: Sweden |
You cant focus that much on numbers with a rebalance this big. Keep in mind that weapons will do less damage so your shield bank on test might last just as long as your shield bank on live.
_________________ It's nice to be important but it's more important to be nice |
Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:02 am |
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Main: Stooch
Level: 1619 Joined: Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:41 pm Posts: 674 Location: Gilkerscleugh |
Voomy wrote: You cant focus that much on numbers with a rebalance this big. Keep in mind that weapons will do less damage so your shield bank on test might last just as long as your shield bank on live. I know capships who have lost 75% sheilds and energy. The only people I know who have lost 75% dps are also in capships. And yes I know everything isnt final, i am just giving my opinions according to what is infront of me right now. _________________ Meep |
Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:42 pm |
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Joined: Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:11 am Posts: 140 Location: Sweden |
Quote: The only people I know who have lost 75% dps are also in capships Most weapons havent been rebalanced yet though. _________________ It's nice to be important but it's more important to be nice |
Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:54 pm |
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Main: Immortal Paladin
Level: 207 Joined: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:19 pm Posts: 48 |
Voomy wrote: Quote: The only people I know who have lost 75% dps are also in capships Most weapons havent been rebalanced yet though. My capship slaves doubled their DPS after their weapons got rebalanced. You just had to be using underpowered weapons before the rebalance. _________________ "Sod this - all skills in Sol for $10 each, let's go to the pub" BeanSidhe *Staring at admins for C2 preview* Everyone join in! |
Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:03 pm |
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Rank: Councilor Main: Hober Mallow Level: 4991 Joined: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:08 pm Posts: 3191 |
Voodoo wrote: Voomy wrote: Quote: The only people I know who have lost 75% dps are also in capships Most weapons havent been rebalanced yet though. My capship slaves doubled their DPS after their weapons got rebalanced. You just had to be using underpowered weapons before the rebalance. Exactly, which is what my setup is now. _________________ http://www.starsonata.com/suggestions |
Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:04 pm |
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Main: Immortal Paladin
Level: 207 Joined: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:19 pm Posts: 48 |
I'm hoping they decide my favorite weapon is underpowered but I'm not holding my breath on that one.
_________________ "Sod this - all skills in Sol for $10 each, let's go to the pub" BeanSidhe *Staring at admins for C2 preview* Everyone join in! |
Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:25 pm |
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Rank: Councilor Main: Llessur Level: 4171 Joined: Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:26 pm Posts: 902 Location: Feilding, New Zealand |
Please dont forget to keep ship space the same as it is now as the whole economic structure of SS depends on it. (Unless ofcourse u are going to rebalance the economics too )
I do commend you guys for the professional attitude you are taking towards this, it is a huge task. |
Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:31 am |
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Main: Demiser of D
Level: 4 Joined: Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:46 pm Posts: 5424 Location: Listening to Fire On High, best song ever. |
Im just wondering, will the PD REALLY be size 85? 'cause if it is, it will NEVER be used again. seriously. Well, maybe not never, but only for kicks and giggles, not serious use. Sorta like the faranji side blast.
_________________ JeffL wrote: That's it. I quit! Battlecruiser23 wrote: Fuck you, Cygnus. |
Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:46 am |
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