I wonder how the defences in his galaxy were laid.
Even for old time players when you see a 5-7-10 Adamantium Kit galaxy fall over night is quite disheartening to even end gamers.
If you've put 0 effort in laying defences, you get told how to actually do it from some who is invested in helping smaller teams in improving. I don't know how you guys declined 13 his help, but the same thing happened between IS & RF.

Seeing how little stuff has been built in their galaxies it wouldn't be so hard to get their shit rebuild, even when you aren't a hardcore gamer. Diplomatics is a big line of defence, but actually having stuff to show that you have defences laid in your galaxy makes people second guess attacking you.

This is the same things that were told at the end of RF & Traders vs EF war, people bitching about people quitting because they lost stuff. It isn't fun to loose bases, but if you didn't built any decent defences than you are kinda expected to loose your galaxies.

I offer EVERY small team my services in free gear and knowledge, especially electric sheep because they take so much space. 1 little grem laser would have been enough to make me not do it.

Building in this game is as mechanical as humans get.

But understanding human behavior is so complex, that you can't narrow it down to formulas and numbers. I'm not saying we shouldn't have them, I'm saying it won't be sufficient to explain why Yeh11a has decided to do what he does.

You demonstrate with this statement that you aren't familiar with the current balance of PvB in this game. This guy isn't a poster child for your crusade. He's a veteran player who never could be bothered to pay attention to changing trends in galaxy defense. With apologies to -13-, if your gals die to him you have demonstrated not even the least bit of building acumen. A small active team of newcomers to the game would do much better than this, even if they just spammed a lot of junkyard kits.

If anything these type of players don't get killed enough, then they wouldnt go putting their valuables in Crappy gals and getting butt hurt when they lose it.

A player needs to factor in expected losses in the first instance when basing.

Can we haz op termites again that will rek these galaxies pliz? Would save me a lot of headaches from looking at newbies galaxies that have 0 effort in defense! Anyone know what's actaully wrong with em? Do they have like non-base shields on them which gives them 0 shields or?

I don't see this as the game's fault. If you have bases in Wild Space, that is effectively leaving your PvP characters afk in some random galaxy 24/7.

From what 13 is saying, all of his problems could have been solved had he just been online to talk to 13. But ofc, he wasn't online. Due to whatever reason. I don't see how that is the game's fault. We advertise as a PvP game, he build in a hostile territory and then didn't use any of his outs to protect his possessions. Politics, stronger building, friendships with other players, communication, etc. The situation could have been entirely avoided had he just been online to take advantage. But he wasn't.

So how does the game fix that problem? Of players not being online 24/7 to protect their assets? I would say you can't. If a player doesn't want to risk everything he owns, he probably shouldn't have left it out in the open for someone to take. Leaving your wallet on a random park bench and then complaining that someone took it because you were at work? Doesn't make any sense to me.

While I'm sad to see an old veteran go, this just feels like it's being used as a flagship to pioneer changes that don't need to be added to the game. I get the gist that he was barely playing as is, and because of his afk'ness, this time around he won't be rebuilding. To me that sounds like he was on the way out anyways, and this is just a final straw type of thing.

small edit: I'd like for this situation to not happen ever again. But we lack any sort of building tutorial that teaches anything about galaxy defense. The only way to obtain that information is to scan other gals (hostile act), or learn from someone who is willing to teach you. And even with those methods of gaining knowledge, if you're not online, obviously you can't take advantage of those things.

1 Laconia T18/T20 per gal for STM defense. Couple of T14-T16 supporting bases. Rest low tech CA and EXE.

Paladin scanned those galaxies earlier and were disgusted by them. Made 13's junk spam look as dangerous as TR core gals. Electric Sheep basically took Infernal Empire's standards and lowered them. I figure the only reason they didn't get wiped first was people didn't actually know they existed until after IE made a ragequit post.

Vindication.

I'm certainly not aware of any such offer. Perhaps, as is said later in the thread, it is assumed that I, like anyone else, naturally would be online when shit like this happens. So bullshit.

My bases? Yep, generally just one dem t20 for stm, then supporting t18 hps. Most of my kits were t16. It was what I could afford to do. Considering it was the first time I had built since the Traders/SP debacle, (which I still consider an exploit, t21/22 players just overpowering & capping t20 bases), so I started with no base gear and thought I was getting there. But I have always been very aware of not putting anything on a base you can't afford to lose. but I've just started from scratch. To have it happen again means I'm pissed off and yes, rage-quitting.

If someone doesn't understand why I'm quitting, well fuck you. I can name a shitload of people that this has happened to at various stages through my playing time and each and every time it's because someone is making it harder to play.

It's not the endgame players that need to be catered for, it's the newbies and midgame players. That's where the dollars are for game development and ongoing improvements. Many people simply don't want to go on to become emp, or do Oly, or the Avesaka thingies that I've never got around to doing. I'm trying to constructively criticise here and a lot of what I see is self justification from some of the main offenders. It's not Jeff, advertising and lack of content that's killing the game, it's them alienating the low/midrange player base through bullying tactics, no matter how they try and justify it. Until that gets sorted the game is spiralling downhill.

If you ever come back then I suggest you build deeper into the arm of wildspace (lower DF, not so high that you go into w3 again). You can get settled there and the community has a pretty clear arrangement that nobody will be harmed in that section of the universe. It's a good place to get started and build up so that, when the next uni comes around, you can take a higher danger factor gal and work you way up from there.

I actually think this goes for all of Electric Sheep. None of the gals they own are well enough defended for simple junkyard bvb, I am fairly sure.